[ SECRET POST #2354 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2354 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kodomo no Jikan]


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[figure skating/Brian Joubert]


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[Stargate: Atlantis/ Sesame Street]


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[K project]


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[Teen Wolf]


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[Married...With Children]


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[Homestuck]


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[One Piece]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Pokémon Black & White]


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[Phantom of the Opera 2004]


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[Iron Man 3]


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[Neverwinter Nights 2]


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[Almost Human/Total Recall 2077]


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[Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer]


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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]


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[A Bag of Hammers]


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[Without a Trace]


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[Big Bang Theory]


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[The Three Investigators]


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[Team Fortress 2]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 043 secrets from Secret Submission Post #336.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - personal attack ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

0/10

And on the off-chance you aren't trolling and really are that disgusting, you know what, there's plenty of fiction out there that doesn't come with qualifiers like "so long as you ignore the pedophilia..."

I think I'll live without it.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Whoa, so much hate, calm down people. I started reading it to see if it was really that bad, and truth is it DOES have something beyond "kids wants to fuck adults" in it; I really disliked those lolicon parts and thought they were forced at best, I think the story COULD do without that, and I'm referring to the things that are way disconnected from that. Plus, watching something by ignoring one aspect isanything but unheard of in fiction.

But if you don't feel likegiving it a try either way, just don't do it, I'm notforcing anyone.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

da

Yeah but generally "watching something by ignoring one aspect" means things like "the music is this important scene is a really bad choice" or "that subplot was pointless", not "here's a small child for you to jerk off to".

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

NA

A small, fictional child. Seriously -- I'm assuming the OP isn't diddling real children, so why the hate?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

"I'm assuming the OP isn't diddling real children"


If I need to confirm, no, I'm not, wtf? :|

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

na

A lot of that kind of material is used by abusers to groom actual children, so the "ablooabloo it's just fiction, stop hating on my creepiness" song and dance isn't bulletproof.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Abusers might use lolicon to groom children, which is morally reprehensible, yes. But why is that the OP's responsibility? Sie understands that lolicon is 100 percent fictional, and should not be recreated in RL at all. Why should sie have to censor the type of media sie likes just because a couple sick fucks use it to abuse real children? If I use The Anarchist Cookbook to build a bomb and kill someone, should the book be censored?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

You beat me to it, but yeah, it's not like there's a huge part of the population who likes animal fighting just because they like Pokemon

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Look, okay, I'm too tired for this game right now. I'll just say I can't help being suspicious of people who are super invested in defending fictional pedo wank fodder because it's technically ~free speech~ or whatever. I can't think of a non-horrible reason to.

(Also the Anarchist Cookbook is actually pretty much 100% bullshit, but that's another story)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

na

The thing is, it's not some "game." When you use a bad argument in the name of what is certainly a good cause (protecting children from rapists), that doesn't make it stop being a bad argument, but it will make people think they can use the same bad argument in other cases (like video games and violence, or something). It's not the drawing or the comics or whatever that are hurting children -- it's the child rapists. Going after the comics rather than the child rapists doesn't protect anyone. Unless you seriously think there are child molesters who give up on raping kids because they can't find enough lolicon to groom them with, I don't see the point of using a fundamentally bad argument to go on crusade here.

And don't try to insinuate that I'm somehow invested in child porn or something, because I don't even read this shit. It's just that your argument is bad, and it's bad in a way that has consequences.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Why is lolicon so important to you. Seriously.

Re: OP

[luxshine]

Ok, I'll bite and try to explain this.

Yes, there's a minority of lolicon fans who are not pedophiles. Said minority looks like the majority because they're the most loud, and the ones you'll likely see on internet forums. However, the whole product is created for a majority of readers who enjoy sexualizing children. Not 'fictional' children. CHILDREN in general.

What lolicon does, besides being used to groom victims, is to normalize the idea that children are sexual beings and will want relationships with grownups. Just a couple of weeks ago, I had to read the heartwrenching story of a japanese girl who explained that in Japan child molestation is practically down to an art, which explains why they produce so much borderline legal pornographic material that is completely aimed to pedophiles. That you, and the OP, and some other hundreds of lolicon fans would never touch a child in an inappropriate manner doesn't change the fact that this crap and the whole industry behind it allows for the idea that children, real children, can consent to sex.
Yes, the drawings don't hurt the children. But the reason why the drawings exist? It's because there's a huge public that is willing to buy the fantasy that children are sexual objects in order to justify their acts.

Re: OP

[visp]

Should it be censored? Maybe, maybe not. Am I going to call you a fucking pervert if you like child porn, even if it's drawn and fictional? Yes. If you enjoy the sexualization of children, you're a creepy fucker.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

da

Mind, this is just an hypothesis, and until there's a good scientific study about this will never know for sure, but there is also the possibility that consuming lolicon media subconsciously normalizes the idea of sexualizing children and also might make pedophiles lapse into actual abuse by, again, subconsciously reassuring them that their desires are a-okay.

Otherwise, yeah, child rapists bad, fiction okay, just by goodness don't show it to children/young teens/impressionable people/your parents/etc.

/I don't like lolicon disclaimer D:

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

da

On the other hand, if you want to talk about 'normalizing', that opens up a whole universe of 'bad shit that's okay in fiction' to similar scrutiny. No more violence in movies and video games, for a start, don't you know that's why we're raising more violent kids these days?

(Echo disclaimer.)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Point taken.

(On a side note, what does "da" even mean anyway?)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

different anon; the person replying isn't the same as previously

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Different anon
NA: New anon
AYRT: anon you replied to

That's all the major ones, I think.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

SA = same anon

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT: not anon-you-replied-to

Re: OP

[erinptah]

That's how I got into it too, OP, and I basically had the same reaction. The combination of "90% of this fanservice is really unnecessary" and "hang on, there's an actual story here."

Rin is written with a lot of realistic reactions to childhood trauma, including escalating sexual abuse. She has the trust issues, the anger, the feelings of worthlessness and responsibility, periods of numbness/dissociation, and the difficulty with healthy interpersonal boundaries. And the hypersexuality -- which is taken OTT and awkward for the sake of loli fanservice, but in the beginning it's also clearly telegraphed as being part of Rin's issues.

She needs to be in control of every situation, even if she has to behave wildly inappropriately to do it. With Daisuke she's found that being sexual around him will keep him discombobulated and off-balance, so she takes the idea and runs with it. (With her previous teacher, she used intimidation and threats.) The adults in her life are portrayed as heroic when they're modeling proper boundaries, while still supporting her and not judging her for this mindset she's been warped into. Daisuke's "Yes, that was a bad thing you did -- but you're a good girl!" speech to her is still probably one of my favorite expressions-of-parental-love scenes in media.

If you wanted to write a deconstruction of lolicon, it would have a lot in common with KnJ. "Oh, you want a third-grade girl who propositions her teacher? Because realistically, this would be a kid who's super fucked up, not just about sex but in general."

...although according to this thread they do apparently hook up by the end, which is, like, Bunny Drop levels of narrative betrayal. Ick.

I'll just stay over here with my headcanons about Daisuke continuing to guide Rin into healthy, supportive, age-appropriate relationships, and then fifteen years later crying at her wedding when she toasts him for being the best father a girl could ask for.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I started reading it because it was a really interesting and dark look at an inappropriately sexualised child and her behaviour. But then her teacher started to show interest in return and I was out of there so fast.

Re: OP

[erinptah]

Mmmmyep.

As with the gratuitous-loli parts, if you can mentally write out the scenes suggesting non-fatherly love, you can still enjoy it (and the story holds up fine). But I completely understand just straight-up nope'ing out at that point.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't want to go to jail and lolicon squicks me the fuck out. I don't care how great the story might be, I'm not touching that. At all. Somethings I shouldn't have to be forced to ignore to to read a plot.

this is one of those (creepy) things.