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[ SECRET POST #2354 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2354 ⌋

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[Kodomo no Jikan]

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[figure skating/Brian Joubert]

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[Stargate: Atlantis/ Sesame Street]

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[K project]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Married...With Children]

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[Homestuck]

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[One Piece]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Pokémon Black & White]

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[Phantom of the Opera 2004]

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[Iron Man 3]

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[Neverwinter Nights 2]

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[Almost Human/Total Recall 2077]

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[Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer]

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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]

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[A Bag of Hammers]

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[Without a Trace]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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[The Three Investigators]

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[Team Fortress 2]

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(NOTE: IF YOU ARE JUST NOW LEARNING THE LANGUAGE, THESE GRIPES DO NOT APPLY TO YOU, THIN-SKINNED DENIZENS OF THE INTERNET. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE WITH 10+ YEARS LANGUAGE EXPERIENCE IN AN ADVANCED JSL CLASS WHO'VE ALL PASSED 1KYUU/N1 AND ARE CONSIDERED 'FUNCTIONALLY' FLUENT.)

To my fellow ryugakusei:

Whities: Do not say "umm" ("ehm" for the euro trash) after every. Single. Word. When you are speaking or reading. Can you imagine if someone was speaking to you or reading do you in English, and said "the, um, cat, um, had, um, four, um, black, um, spots"? Would you not want to punch them in the throat? And if your Japanese is so fucking awful that you can't read a single sentence without pausing every other word, get out. This is the advanced class. Get. Out. Why do so many of you do this? At the very fucking least, make an effort to use Japanese place holders like "eeeh to" and so on. (Also, holy shit Russian girl, stop rolling your rs. How many times does the prof have to tell you? There are rs that aren't rolled in Russian, you can't fool us - we know you can make that sound correctly so stop being a lazy ass.)

Kanji-reading Azns: You are here to learn Japanese. Japanese. If you read a character the Chinese way, and the teacher corrects you, do not go blithely on to pronounce it the Chinese way the next four times it crops up. Being able to automatically grok the meanings of kanji made you feel like hot shit in the intermediate levels, I'm sure, but now we can all do that and it's just fucking embarrassing. And the rest of us can pronounce it in a literate manner. Remember: you are here to learn Japanese. Imagine an English-speaker, learning French (in an advanced fucking class no less), reading "eau" as "ew", being corrected by the teacher, and then just blowing them off and continuing to read it "ew" right to their face because, fuck you Frenchie, I know how those letters read - we have those letters too! It's not that you can't pronounce it - you misread other characters how that one's supposed to read all the time!

Maaaan I need a nap. And to shoot the sun out of the sky with a rocket or something it's hot as balls out.

That all sounds very frustrating :( I'd need to vent as well if I had people bringing down a class like that
/someone who is forever a beginner and jealous that you get a class!

(Is it a fun class otherwise?)

Why are you forever a beginner? Are there no classes in you area?

Yeah... sometimes. It's nice that I get the opportunity to chat with other foreigners at a level beyond "See Spot. See Spot run." but that's a double-edged sword. They're at a level where they can all make themselves understood perfectly well, and they know it, so when the prof corrects grammar or pronunciation, they more often than not just blow her off and keep right on doing it. I mean, I'm not perfect, and I make all kinds of mistakes of my own, but I do not keep making them over and over! If there's something I say wrong, I practice it until I say it right. If there's a grammatical issue I don't understand, I ask until I understand it. Blaaargh.

I get that not everyone wants to level up to the point of a native speaker - hell, I don't - as that's a monumental task for an adult language leaner, but at least stop blowing the goddamned professor off, guys. Make an effort. I'd rather be doing my research or napping too, but shit, at least try to take advantage of the opportunity.

I went to classes when I was in high school, but not in university and while I'm sure there's classes around here somewhere I can neither afford or get the time to go to them thanks to work shifts :(

But I do try to practice and teach myself (I'm the anon who went to Japan recently and I think I was understandable XD) - Just without a teacher of some kind to point out when I'm doing something horribly wrong I'm probably stuffing up here and there. Oh, also the weekly or so practice classes would give me! Wish I'd paid more attention when I'd had them >_<

They all sound really unappreciative :( Why are they even there? They've got such a valuable learning resource going on. I hope this bad attitude of theirs will reflect in their marks :/ I hated it when people would stuff around in my uni classes and just frustrate everyone by intentionally not learning

There's always dramas on the internet? I shit you not, that's hands down one of the best ways to practice listening. Don't bother with anime, you want a really naturalistic slice-of-life drama were the people aren't ridiculous caricatures. Read the Kanji is also fantastic for kanji drilling. I doubt I would have passed N1 without it.

Eh, they're there because they have to be. We all are. We're students on a government fellowship program and the JSL course is mandatory for receiving our stipend. Also, we only have to pass, and I can tell many of my fellow classmates are taking the "Cs-get-degrees" approach.

I might have to get into that. Would you suggest going for subtitled dramas or going all out and just trying to pick up words when I can?
There's an online program called memrise I've been using as I still get katakana mixed up (good to go with hiragana) and kanji, I've got maybe 15 down with meanings but 10 I could actually say without looking up. /all over the place

Ekk, your classmates are going to be surprised when they graduate >_> I'm heading home (at work), so thanks for the suggestions :D I figure if I JUST KEEP CHIPPING AT IT I will eventually reach a good conversation level.

Good luck with your classes! I hope your classmates start to pick up in their learning department

*runs for train*

Well if you're just starting out, it'll be meaningless to turn the subtitles off - you won't catch much of anything. Just watch with the subtitles on, but actively listening to the words and phrases they use. Try to pick out what means what in a given sentence. Also, practice the pronunciation they use - in a light, naturalistic drama, that's way you'll want to say everything in a normal, daily conversation, too.

Ps do not worry I use 'eto' in place of 'um', it was literally the first thing my sensei in school taught us as she couldn't stand us all saying 'um'. Those people have no excuse there!

(She was native Japanese, I miss her ;_;)

while I get your frustrations, as a fellow language learner, I have to say a few things in their defense.

I know that a LOT of Russians find it really hard to break that rolling R. I know Russians who speak other languages totally fluently and still can't break that R. Just because the proper sound sort of appears in their language doesn't mean they can rewire the brain that keeps going THIS IS A ROLLED R. So it may be that it's just a really difficult accent thing for them to break.
Yes, she may also just be lazy - but she may just really find it hard to break that accent habit. It happens.

ahh, reading the Kanji wrong thing ._. my problem is that I have a horrible auditory memory. So even if I get corrected on a reading, I will literally not remember it five seconds later. I'm sure it makes me sound like a moron, but there's not much I can do about it. (and I studied Chinese and Japanese, so there are too many Kanji I know how to read as Hanzi...). Though, usually I will try and kind of hesitate, knowing that it's *not* that other reading, but I often have to be corrected multiple times on a character I'm not sufficiently familiar with.
~~then there are all those times I spoke Korean in Chinese class. that was a mess~~

THOUGH OF COURSE THEY MAY JUST BE LAZY ASSES AND I'M PROJECTING MY LANGUAGE ISSUES

I guess I should give her a pass on the rolled Rs since English speakers find it so hard not to stress syllables in a given word the the point where it's a nearly impossible habit to break, but the Rs are pretty clearly infering with the prof's understanding of what she's saying (whereas the stresses don't).

Augh, but they are corrected multiple times and they still don't cut that shit out. It's probably hard to see a word you see all the time and pronounce it differently, though.

I STAND BY THE "UM/EHM" THING THOUGH. THAT'S THE WORST AND THERE'S JUST NO EXCUSE.

THE UM/EHM THING IS LEGITIMATE, AND THEY SHOULD CUT IT OUT.

That's the tough thing with accents. Some stuff is just cute and harmless, some stuff really butchers the language. I'm a native Hebrew speaker, and Hebrew is more tolerant of some accents than others. A heavy American accent sounds pretty bad in Hebrew, whereas some of the European accents sound okay. Korean accent is adorable, imo. If her accent seriously interferes with people understanding her, it's probably frustrating for her, too, though.

I mean, yeah, my reading is crap - I'm mostly super slow, I'm just really bad at reading aloud, but I don't um every other word. Also I'm like... barely N3. I'd expect that to improve with time.

In terms of the mistaken readings, I would say, maybe if the same day they kind of forget, I'd expect them to work on it more for the next class or something. It's an excuse only so far, y'know? So it's still pretty frustrating.

Yeah it's the same with any language, I think. A German accent? No big. A thick Japanese or Chinese accent can be bruuuuuutal.

The frustrating part about the kanji reading is that it kind of comes off like they don't give a shit what the Japanese pronunciation is, they know the "real" one, so whatever. Also, shit son, if you've studied this damned language hard enough to pass N1, don't you think you could put a little more effort in?

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