[ SECRET POST #2357 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2357 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

Re: OP

[truxillogical]

But the fight does advance the plot. The values of the scene are different at the beginning than they are at the end. And it introduces Thor to the group.

The big difference between a fight and a sex scene is that a fight is innately conflict (though not always necessary). Thor's introduction is one that needs conflict. He can't just walk up and be "Hi, can I join?" The conflict serves a purpose.


Which isn't really my point though. About 90% of the final fight of Avengers is nothing but gratuitous punching of things. I mean, Cap, Thor, and Hawkeye are pretty much useless--just there to kill faceless goons in cool-looking ways(actually, Hawkeye might've been useful? I think his explodey-arrow knocked Loki off his hoverthing?). But I'm confused by your point. The first part sounds like you're annoyed that people point to a sex scene and go "that was gratuitous?" when a gratuitous sex scene happens, but the second part sounds like you want sex to be treated like fighting, even though fight scenes are gratuitous and get pointed out as such.


It's much easier to see a sex scene as gratuitous, though, because as I said, a fight is inherently conflict. Sex can be conflict too, but it relies on context to make it that.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. What I was saying was that people on TV Tropes look at something that has gratuitous sex in it, and they follow the following logical process:

1. If a work has gratuitous sex in it, it's bad.
2. This is not a bad work.
3. This work does not have gratuitous sex.

Then they make up all sorts of excuses for how the sex furthers the plot or the characterization, some of which are pretty obviously reaching.

I guess what I want most is honesty. If they want to take premise 1 as true, they should approach 3 as a falsifiable proposition, rather than a conclusion. If they then dislike something they otherwise would have liked because it has gratuitous sex, so be it. (Some would argue that would qualify as an improvement in their taste.)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

P.S. I posted a secret a while back about using FS to practice saying things in as few words as possible. This is the downside of that practice--sometimes I need a lot of words to adequately explain what the hell I'm thinking.