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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-17 06:50 pm

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Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
But again, is that really misandry or a result of misogyny or other institutionalized gender ideals and roles?
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Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-06-18 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Does it matter to the victims? What the heck are we supposed to say to them? "Shut up, eight year old, just take your out of school suspension and remember that girls couldn't vote until 1920." The whole backfiring argument is valid but usually functions as a way to shut people up rather than further discussion.

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
It matters because this is a discussion on whether the concept of misandry has real tangible results in the world and I was suggesting that your example was not a tangible result from misandry.
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Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-06-18 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I would disagree, because what I've seen (which includes odd ways my little brother was treated growing up) doesn't seem to have much to do with misogyny backfiring. I agree that other things (child custody inequality, for example) ARE an example of misogyny backfiring (though I try not to use that word as it implies hatred/dislike where often it's more complex than that).

I will say that education is one of the only places I can see tangible misandry, though. I think most misandry complaints are bullshit.
Edited 2013-06-18 01:15 (UTC)

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Wait. Is this another too-subtle-for-me trolling conversation I'm not supposed to respond to seriously?
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Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2013-06-18 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
No. We've had conversations about this sort of thing offline. She's being very serious right now.

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
It is the result of education shifting to focus on female learning style education. It doesn't matter if it is the result of misogyny (it isn't), but it IS happening. Boys are being horribly left behind in terms of schooling.

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
It may be happening but it's not a good example of tangible results of misandry in the world, was my point. Which is what this thread was about.

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
It's almost comical the way people keep insisting that everything bad that happens to a man is due to misogyny

Re: Misandry... Oh dear.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-18 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Have you never seen much on the theory of patriarchy and how it influences and effects both men and women in a negative way? It's not exactly anything new.