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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-18 06:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #2359 ]


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Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

(Anonymous) 2013-06-19 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
No, people do that because India has had a very strong English presence in their culture for ages, due to, you know, being colonized and all. It's traditional and normal to use lots of English nouns and verbs. Definitely not because it's "cool".

It's a little bit like how English has several pure Latin or French or Italian or German phrases (status quo, eau de cologne, et cetera) even though they have English equivalents, but not exactly. In India, phrases like that are more numerous and they've been introduced more recently/artificially into their culture (whereas other western languages' influence on English is more of a foundation than an invasion).

My mother is Indian and grew up in India, and she does this kind of thing all the time when she's speaking Hindi to her Indian family and friends, so does every Indian person I've ever met apart from people in secluded villages, even very old people. It's not restricted to films and they didn't just up and decide to speak that way because they "can't pick a language". English was imposed on Indians from way back and has woven itself into their way of life.

Not only would it be pretty tricky to live in India without knowing at least a little English, it's basically impossible to learn Hindi without picking up some English words too (like the aforementioned French and Latin phrases) because it's everywhere except in very isolated places.

I also believe (though I'm not certain, I'm far more familiar with the north) that French is also all over the place down in South India, because France colonized that area.

(hope no one saw me de-anon. I'm not embarrassed -- I just don't want to post too many identifying details about myself on the internet)
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Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

[identity profile] with-rainfall.livejournal.com 2013-06-19 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, okay, my apologies then, & I didn't know any of that, so thank you very much for that info & the examples!

Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

(Anonymous) 2013-06-19 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
...I'm American.

American. Our education in history is absolutely atrocious.

And even I knew that India was a British colony. How did you not?
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Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

[identity profile] with-rainfall.livejournal.com 2013-06-19 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
.... Clearly I knew that India was a British colony. I had no idea that English was still used *to that extent* in people's everyday lives. I had no idea the ratio of English: Hindi was as high as the above anon said it was, even with English being the lingua franca. Far out.

Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

(Anonymous) 2013-06-19 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Why would it not?

This is the thing that I cannot understand. If one country is ruled by another, and the ruling country uses a different language than the subject country, then why would the language of the subject country not be altered to some extent by that of the ruling country?

Also, part of the reason I reacted the way I did is because you specifically said "American" in your initial response. It didn't make sense to me that you would say that when, historically speaking, Britain would have more influence on Indian culture.
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Re: Question for non-English/ ESL speakers....

[identity profile] with-rainfall.livejournal.com 2013-06-19 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
Well, my logic was that American films would have a more pervasive influence on Indian film
specifically than British colonisation, and I misread tabaqui's comment and didn't realise that they were talking about a documentary. And yes, the fact that English is used (AFAIK) as a kind of common language/trading & international language these days has probably had some impact too. But, yeah, pretty much, I *also* somehow had this idea in my head that people don't speak as much English in India now as they did then, which, yeah, doesn't make any sense in light of that anon's comment (or yours, if you're the same anon).

So, short answer... I assumed things.