[ SECRET POST #2359 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2359 ⌋

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Comments

[ginainthekingsroad]

Have you ever studied any average royal/noble families? There are only so many names that are used within those circles- you name your children after their predecessors and a few generations later you've got a tangled mess full of Henrys, Richards, Edwards, and Margarets and not much else.

In Richard III, there's a great passage (4.4.39-44) between Margaret of Anjou and the Duchess of York (Cicely Neville, mother of Edward IV and Richard III) where they list a bunch of dead people who all share names:

MARGARET: I had an Edward, till a Richard killed him; (her son Prince Edward; Henry VI's heir)
I had a husband, till a Richard killed him. (King Henry VI)
Thou hadst an Edward, till a Richard killed him; (Duchess's grandson, Prince Edward; Edward IV's heir)
Thou hadst a Richard, till a Richard killed him. (Duchess's grandson, Richard of York; Edward IV's second son)

DUCHESS: I had a Richard too, and thou didst kill him; (Richard, Duke of York; the Duchess's husband)
I had a Rutland too, thou holp'st to kill him. (Edmund, Earl of Rutland; historically the Duchess's second surviving son, but Shakespeare was working from an inaccurate source that names him as the youngest so his murder by the Lancastrians is more shocking.)

[bio_obscura]

Oh, for the love of Christ, I can't believe how defensive y'all are getting about this.

Yes, it is realistic, I know. There's a difference between making a joke in historic fiction about societal name trends and, for instance, giving two minor fictional characters the same name for no real reason.

/first and last time anyone compares GRRM's writing to Shakespeare

[vethica]

Yeah, but there's plenty of stuff that breaks the One Steve Limit.

[ginainthekingsroad]

I'm not defensive, I'm not even involved in the fandom-- I think my theatre nerdery got away from me and my point. Which is: I'm not comparing GRRM's writing or plots to Shakespeare; I'm talking about the subject matter, which is very comparable. It's the stated starting point for ASOIAF: a fantasy War of the Roses.

[(Anonymous)]

You are confusing disagreement with your point with defensiveness. The only one who "sounds" defensive in this text-based discussion is...you.

[bio_obscura]

No, statements like "Erm, there are LITERALLY over a thousand named characters in this series" and snottily asking me if I've "studied" noble families is definitely defensive and unnecessary.

[(Anonymous)]

Hah, that's awesome.