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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-20 06:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #2361 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2361 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Hetalia]


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03.
[Charles Coulson (and indirectly, Avengers)]


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04.
[No. 6]


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05.
[Leto Brothers]


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06.
[Harry Potter]


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07.
[Xiaolin Showdown/Xiaolin Chronicles]


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08.
["Zombies Took My Daughter"]


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09.
[Wolf's Rain]


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10.
[The Croods]


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11.
[Phineas and Ferb]


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12.
[Ouran High School Host Club]


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13.
[Hetalia]


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14.
[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]


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15.
[Starsky and Hutch]


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16.
[Once Upon a Time]


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17.
[Hannibal]


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18.
[Zoo Tycoon]


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19.
[Monty Python]


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20.
[Hannibal]


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21.
[Teen Wolf]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #336.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
That scene... is supposed to reveal Inukashi as a girl when you were supposed to have believed up till then that they were a boy (because of the speech and, uh, "masculine" behavior in general? but mostly the speech patterns. It's interesting how the perspective can get flipped if you don't know Japanese).

But for me, that "surprise" was upsetting and more cliche than just having her be a boy, because ooh, androgynous looking badass kid living in a rough world turns out to be a girl acting like (or disguised as) a boy to protect herself! That has never been done a zillion times before! And of course the thing that reveals it is her sexual safety being compromised. Ugh.

The novels seem to keep the character's gender more or less ambiguous, though, and I personally like that best.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
androgynous looking badass kid living in a rough world turns out to be a girl acting like (or disguised as) a boy to protect herself

did she even really disguise herself though? I was under the impression that she had other crap to deal with and gender wasn't on the list of things she concerned herself with so it didn't matter what people thought she was. I mean...she was raised by dogs. There was no one even around to raise her "like a boy" or "like a girl"

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
That's why "disguised as" is in parentheses. It wasn't exactly clear to me whether she was purposely trying to pass for a boy or not, but she at least seemed comfortable with letting everyone else assume it (and if I'm not mistaken, people do assume it of someone who talks that way in Japanese, unless their looks are obviously female -- and then they're a woman who talks/acts like a man).

Idk I think Inukashi could even be biologically female and trans or genderqueer for all canon gives (like, as you said, not having any human parents to be raised "boy" or "girl" by), even though that probably wasn't what the writing was going for.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you're quite considering the fact that they live in a place where being a girl, living on your own, will get you raped, killed, or raped and then killed.

The reveal happening because they were nearly raped was, yes, a bit of a throwaway, but...what was Inukashi's other choice?

We had the choice between pretty bland streetrat boy that's been done a thousand times or a girl living on her own in dangerous territory doing everything she can to keep her gender a secret to hopefully fend off some of the rapists.

The latter's more mold-breaking and appropriate here.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe I've just read and seen too many things (in the genres I go for) where "a girl living on her own in dangerous territory doing everything she can to keep her gender a secret to hopefully fend off some of the rapists" is, in fact, a trope, but I don't find that groundbreaking at all. And that aside, I also have to respectfully disagree that being secretly a girl because rape is the only thing that keeps Inukashi from being a bland street rat type that's been done. But, just my own perceptions.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you're quite considering the fact that they live in a place where being a girl, living on your own, will get you raped, killed, or raped and then killed.

To be fair, I think this is an issue most kids on the street in a place that would face regardless of gender.

What's interesting to me is the sense of gender that Inukashi does seem to display, and how if she is a girl, it does veer off into a stereotypical kind of sensitivity and 'motherly instinct' that seems separate from what she would have simply picked up from the dogs.

Because the way her personality does veer off towards being more sensitive than she lets on, and more family oriented thanks to the dogs, would also be a fitting subversion of the usual cheeky street-rat trope if she were a boy, too.

I mean, I agree with you fundamentally. Inukashi is a smart kid who lives by her brains and her instincts, and she's definitely keen enough to pick all this stuff up. I just think it's interesting both ways.

/anon who replied above you

(Anonymous) 2013-06-21 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, you've eloquently stated a lot of what I was thinking of when I wrote my response, e.g. why using fear of rape to show that a character is female bothers me, and the aversions of the typical "street-rat trope" that are there regardless of whatever gender Inukashi is.
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[personal profile] les_lenne 2013-06-21 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I found it so cliché that I stopped watching the series. Never finished the No. 6 anime.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-06-23 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
何のシーンのことなの?「女の子だ」と明かすシーンがあったのか?以上のsecretのシーンでイヌカシが「俺男なんだからこれが嫌だ!」と主張していたじゃない?

日本語がわかっているよ。最初からただのお転婆だと思った。髪の毛が長いし、ちっちゃくて細身だし、本当に性別を隠そうとするならせめて髪の毛を切るんじゃない?明らかに女の子だと思った。ここのコメントを読んでもう判らなくなってきたけど。

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-06-25 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, OP. I forgot about my comment, and I'm replying a few days late, you maybe you won't see it. I apologize; I must have assumed you were talking about a completely different scene, and I guess I don't remember the one you're talking about (definitely don't remember any scene in which Inukashi claims to be male) I assumed you meant the prostitute scene, which I took really strongly in the anime as implying a "surprise, boobs here!" message (and have known some people who speak no Japanese at all to take it as a "surprise, NO boobs here!" so I assumed you were one of them, sorry about that too.) Regardless of any before or after statements of masculinity that I forgot about. Sorry for not answering in Japanese, I'm rusty on it and would probably make no sense.