[ SECRET POST #2361 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2361 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Hetalia]


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03.
[Charles Coulson (and indirectly, Avengers)]


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04.
[No. 6]


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05.
[Leto Brothers]


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06.
[Harry Potter]


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07.
[Xiaolin Showdown/Xiaolin Chronicles]


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08.
["Zombies Took My Daughter"]


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09.
[Wolf's Rain]


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10.
[The Croods]


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11.
[Phineas and Ferb]


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12.
[Ouran High School Host Club]


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13.
[Hetalia]


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14.
[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]


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15.
[Starsky and Hutch]


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16.
[Once Upon a Time]


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17.
[Hannibal]


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18.
[Zoo Tycoon]


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19.
[Monty Python]


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20.
[Hannibal]


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21.
[Teen Wolf]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #336.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

04. http://oi40.tinypic.com/2uh8ny8.jpg
[No. 6]

[(Anonymous)]

er...she is a girl. remember that scene where Shion gropes her boobs on accident? is this some kind of bizarro troll secret?

[deadtree]

ooh okay good, I was starting to wonder if I'd imagined that scene or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, she IS a girl. You're supposed to think she's a boy at the beginning but it's like, a twist.

[mondat]

I don´t know the movie or tv show, but there are Japanese females who use "ore" as well. I don´t think it´s appropriate though and I even do not like it when a guy uses "ore".

It´s tricky when they use female voice actors for male characters. In Germany the voice actor of Ash from Pokemon was a female. But the voice sounds male...

[(Anonymous)]

Are you Japanese? I don't have any idea why you'd think ore is inappropriate if so, considering the vast majority of guys in Tokyo use it - not boku. Women using ore or boku or ore is almost unheard of outside of anime and song lyrics. Definitely really strange and tomboyish.

[mondat]

No, I am not Japanese.
I meant "ore" is especially not appropriate for women to use, but I know a female punk who is very tomboyish & a bit "crazy" and uses "ore" and I've heard from a male friend that he heard other females using it too and he dislikes it very much because it sounds dirty for a woman to speak like that.

If you use "ore" you want to sound "cool" and "very male" and it is rude anyway. To me personally "ore" sounds arrogant and if a guy uses "ore" when talking to me despite having just met each other I can kind of figure what kind of person he might be. Of course, you can find male characters saying "ore" in anime or mangas most of the time but it doesn't mean you should talk like them. I also don't use "atashi" because it sounds childish/girly to me and I prefer to use "watashi".
My husband, friends and my male co-workers never use "ore" (also in private) and they are all decent and very nice men I enjoy spending time with.

[(Anonymous)]

no, kioto is a foreigner living in Japan who apparently knows more about Japanese culture and language than people who are from there.

[quietdragon]

Actually, ore is rude and inappropriate depending on the situation and who you're speaking to! Even most teens you probably hear using it, less of them probably use it when they're not surrounded by other guys. It's... kind of like a strange male bonding thing to all talk like that to sound tougher.

Of course, lately, societal views might be changing, but there are also many grown men who use boku to convey that they are still learning and willing to change and adapt, like small children, to convey open-mindedness.

I think kioto is speaking from a traditional mindset.

[(Anonymous)]

lol no

please don't use the one or two manga series you read with reflections of actual Japanese cultural mores

/native Japanese speaker

[vethica]

There are women who use ore, though. Or at least girls. I read a study on it.

[mondat]

Then say it in Japanese, ANON.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought there were some indications that they were a girl (what with the "softness" that shion felt). Either way I think you could make a case for them being either gender. I don't think inukashi really gives a fuck either way

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is Inukashi/Dogkeeper from the anime "No. 6" (Number Six).]

I didn't realize he was a boy until this scene. Yeah, I know he uses "ore", but I thought he was just an aggressive/tomboyish girl. I blame the voice actor (pretty sure it's a woman). I was rather disappointed, to be honest. I'd rather he were a girl.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really understand why gender changes your perceived enjoyment of a character.

[(Anonymous)]

because kawaii yaoi desu

[(Anonymous)]

Inukashi isn't really shipped with anyone, though.

In fact, the most popular ship involving them is Inukashi and Safu, which would either be het or yuri.

[(Anonymous)]

That scene... is supposed to reveal Inukashi as a girl when you were supposed to have believed up till then that they were a boy (because of the speech and, uh, "masculine" behavior in general? but mostly the speech patterns. It's interesting how the perspective can get flipped if you don't know Japanese).

But for me, that "surprise" was upsetting and more cliche than just having her be a boy, because ooh, androgynous looking badass kid living in a rough world turns out to be a girl acting like (or disguised as) a boy to protect herself! That has never been done a zillion times before! And of course the thing that reveals it is her sexual safety being compromised. Ugh.

The novels seem to keep the character's gender more or less ambiguous, though, and I personally like that best.

[(Anonymous)]

androgynous looking badass kid living in a rough world turns out to be a girl acting like (or disguised as) a boy to protect herself

did she even really disguise herself though? I was under the impression that she had other crap to deal with and gender wasn't on the list of things she concerned herself with so it didn't matter what people thought she was. I mean...she was raised by dogs. There was no one even around to raise her "like a boy" or "like a girl"

[(Anonymous)]

That's why "disguised as" is in parentheses. It wasn't exactly clear to me whether she was purposely trying to pass for a boy or not, but she at least seemed comfortable with letting everyone else assume it (and if I'm not mistaken, people do assume it of someone who talks that way in Japanese, unless their looks are obviously female -- and then they're a woman who talks/acts like a man).

Idk I think Inukashi could even be biologically female and trans or genderqueer for all canon gives (like, as you said, not having any human parents to be raised "boy" or "girl" by), even though that probably wasn't what the writing was going for.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you're quite considering the fact that they live in a place where being a girl, living on your own, will get you raped, killed, or raped and then killed.

The reveal happening because they were nearly raped was, yes, a bit of a throwaway, but...what was Inukashi's other choice?

We had the choice between pretty bland streetrat boy that's been done a thousand times or a girl living on her own in dangerous territory doing everything she can to keep her gender a secret to hopefully fend off some of the rapists.

The latter's more mold-breaking and appropriate here.

[les_lenne]

I found it so cliché that I stopped watching the series. Never finished the No. 6 anime.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

何のシーンのことなの？「女の子だ」と明かすシーンがあったのか？以上のsecretのシーンでイヌカシが「俺男なんだからこれが嫌だ！」と主張していたじゃない？

日本語がわかっているよ。最初からただのお転婆だと思った。髪の毛が長いし、ちっちゃくて細身だし、本当に性別を隠そうとするならせめて髪の毛を切るんじゃない？明らかに女の子だと思った。ここのコメントを読んでもう判らなくなってきたけど。

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was mostly unconfirmed, and was one of those things just left up to fan speculation with some hints that Inukashi might be a girl.

It's not like I really know, but I'm surprised this bothers you so much? They seem pretty gender ambiguous in mind if not in body, and I appreciated that it was something that never really mattered to their character.

To each their own, I guess, but I still think you're jumping the gun by a mile. Either way, I'm just glad it's not more sexuality wank.

[autumnal]

yeah same. i didn't think there was ever confirmation either way and shion's reaction was meant to be ambiguous? idk idk

i appreciated the gender ambiguity anyway and so i'm sticking with it