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[ SECRET POST #2369 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2369 ⌋

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[Hannibal]

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[Mother India, Sholay]

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[Mad Men]

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[Hannibal, Red Dragon]

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[Regular Show]

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[tomofromearth]

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[Charles Dance and Emilia Fox in "Rebecca"]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Mad Men]

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[The Creeps]

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[Star Trek]

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12. [SPOILERS for the last of us]

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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]

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14. [WARNING for incest]

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15. [WARNING for rape]

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16. >[WARNING for rape]
http://i.imgur.com/eJbMOhY.png
[linked for actual movie scene maybe?]

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17. [WARNING for non-con]

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18. [WARNING for rape]

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19. [WARNING for incest, underage]

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20. [WARNING for suicide]

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and you're not omnipotent, you don't get to decide anything for anyone else

NAYRT

I do. I'm a POC myself and if I have a problem with someone using a racist word I DO get to decide that that is not ok.

Because?

Walk us through this.

Strict identity politics, especially with something as inherently fluid as language can get fairly complex, so I'd like to see your workings.

because people have a right to get offended when someone is throwing around a slur that has been used to dehumanize them in the past. ..i am confused about how this is hard to understand.

Again, very little substance here. You've just repeated it with emphasis.

I don't find it compelling that any group can have 'ownership' of a word and claim full control over whether it's offensive or not (because come on, it's fairly self evident how ridiculous this track will get if we follow it to any sort of logical conclusion), or that hiding behind cutesy phrases such as the 'n word' does anything to meaningfully reduce the harm of the term.

As has been said, words aren't fucking magic, they have the power you imbue them, and from the context in which they're being used.

Using that logic, I take it that you've never been hurt by someone's words? Because the way you talk, you should have been able to shake anything off that has been thrown at you.

When it's not been aimed specifically at me or my 'group', and without specific malice?

I may find it problematic, and be open to discussion about it, hell it might even bug me a little, but I appreciate that I don't get to shut down the conversation and claim sole ownership, no.

words aren't fucking magic, they have the power you imbue them, and from the context in which they're being used.

well, yeah. that's part of my argument, too.

people 'reclaim' slurs to turn something with a negative history into a means of fostering group identity. this doesn't work for people who are outside of that social group because part of the word's negative context comes from who is saying it. the reason they have 'ownership' over this word is because it was originally attached to them to demean them. reclamation is like a 'fuck you.'

words DO have power you imbue them, but the argument against using slurs is that they are already imbued with power. there are some patent laws in the US that talk about this, but that might stray into the territory of Incredibly Boring, so.

as for "cutesy phrases" like the n word..... i can think of VERY few, if any, contexts where it would be absolutely necessary for a white person to say the actual word. it's something black people have heard right before being victims of hate crimes. obviously the people who have been targeted with it get to decide that it is offensive. that's just how it works. i really don't have any personal investment in using it, so why should i?

But in exclusion words don't have any affect.

No gay man ever got hurt just because someone said faggot.

They got hurt because of the ideas behind the word, and the actions those drove.

By making the terms taboo you only help this, and dancing around the specific words just empowers them as a tool. It makes them more dangerous, and it fools no-one because by virtue of what you're doing we know exactly what you're saying.

By making the terms taboo you only help this

....how? you never explained this. they were part of hate speech before they were made taboo. they were threats before they were taboo. that is why they are taboo. they're not 'more dangerous' because of it, they're just a greater indicator of when someone is racist/homophobic/sexist/transphobic etc because those are the type of people that don't respect the fact that there are some things you just shouldn't say.

They got hurt because of the ideas behind the word, and the actions those drove.

yes. EXACTLY. the ideas behind the word. there are ideas behind the word that can drive negative actions. if i'm walking around at night and someone yells a slur specific to my demographic i assume either me or someone around me is about to get the shit kicked out of them. i don't stop and wonder whether or not there was any specific malice behind it because how the fuck should i know? it's a hateful word. the ASSUMPTION that i will make is that there is malice behind it. if you don't want people in that particular social group around you to feel threatened, don't use the word. it's basic respect.

and i'm sorry but i find it really hard to believe that you'd stick to this argument irl. you don't find it offensive when people bandy slurs around as long as there's no ill intent, which you just... know for some reason? i'm gay and i don't get to have a problem with straight women calling themselves 'fag hags' or tell them to stop?

if words never hurt anybody in exclusion...... nothing wrong with westboro baptist church saying 'god hates fags' either, it's just 3 words! i mean no shit words don't actually physically hurt anyone, but if that's your standard then threats and hate speech should also be a-okay.

Hi, I don't know you, anonymous internet person.

I don't go around calling people "niggers." I use the word in context when talking about racism.

okay I was border line before but now I'm just done

your 'it's not like I called you a (slur)~' trolling is disgusting and actually fucking triggering for some people fuck

I don't think you're understanding what I mean, here.

Paula Deen called someone a "nigger." She did not call someone an "N-word." That is why what she did was so offensive--not that it would be somehow unoffensive for her to call people N-words, that would just be both racist and weird.

When I use that word in class, it has to do with teaching undergraduate students (not children, but usually under 20) about racism in the United States. The word is used in context, when texts bring up the word.

I'm not using the word in any casual sense; I'm using it in historical context. I'm also not doing some kind of George Carlin number where I"m trying to shock the students. I flinch from that word. But I say it anyway, because it's a terrible, ugly word that matches terrible, ugly, violent events.

I worry that using words like "the n-word" makes talking about racism easier. Racism is too awful to be easy.

I flat out told you the word triggers me ans you used it agaun

No, you didn't. You said it triggered some people.

You're also in an open forum. We can't just change everything we say because an anonymous person claims to be triggered. If you're real, I'm sorry.

But I doubt you're real.

URGH POC is a horrible word as well, grinds me worse than nigger. At least nigger is upfront in it's racism, contextually.

This indigenous person begs otherwise. Calling it the N-word is trying to cover up the history. In the context of talking about the word, it is OKAY to ACTUALLY SAY THE WORD so people are not confused and can remember all the negative history.

You may have a problem, but to faciliate discussion you're going to have to get over your problem.

(jeeze you're like those people who won't let women use the word vagina in a conversation about reproductive rights)

Wait, that's a thing? Like, who? Squeamish religious/social conservatives, or have I missed some extreme PC facet that makes basic anatomy words inappropriate?

http://youtu.be/GdniTQFQ650

No. You get to decide that you're offended by it and to say so, and to explain why if you're so inclined. That's it. If the other person is not persuaded, they're under no obligation to listen to you.

(Hint: "I get to decide what other people are and are not allowed to say because I'm a POC and they're not" is not a persuasive argument, any more than "...because I'm white/male/rich/Christian and they're not" is.)

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NAYRT again