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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-07-03 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2374 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2374 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
... "trap."

Well. That's an... unfortunate... phrasing. That you used more than once.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
go back to tumblr

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Go back to the 1950s.

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(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Traps are crossdressing men, and are in no way related to transwomen

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Did other anon say anything about transwomen? No they did not. But thanks for the random comment!

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
except it gets used to refer to trans women all the time?

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Don't care - still a shitty comment.

Men who crossdress aren't necessarily doing it to "trap" straight men.

I can't decide if

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
troll, ignorant, or purposely offensive?

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, did I say something wrong? o_o ?I didn't thought "trap" was offensive, I mean, anymore seeing as it's used so casually in the community (as in, TRAPheaven? And nobody ever saw anything wrong?)

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Crossdressers on 4chan seem to be fine with it, but in most other communities, the typical response from crossdressers is one of hostility.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-07-06 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It's often impossible to accurately determine whether or not a term is offensive. Just use it until somebody objects, then switch to whatever they tell you to. In case you need to make an important speech, ask someone trustable beforehand.
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[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-07-03 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
So he's(*) the other overplayed stereotype of trap then?

*She? aren't traps by definition not transgender though. 4chan has not equipped me to deal with this topic in a pc way.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought "traps" were either transwomen or crossdressing men who pass for women. The whole "they look like a sexy lady but OMG penis! It's a trap!"
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[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-07-03 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a whole zeitgeist which generally implies they're not trans.

Which in itself may be problematic when taking as a whole, but overwhelmingly the approach seems to be they're men who dress as women, but without the gender dysmorphia.

Like the most famous example is Bridget from Guilty Gear, who always claims to be male, and has a whole backstory about same sex twins being unlucky in england (!) so he was raised as a girl.

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(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
Many or most people hostile to non-traditional gender expressions don't know the fucking difference. Besides, there is not as much of a distinction in some cultures. And trans* women get murdered a LOT for being "deceptive". D: D: D: IRL. Not "tumblr".

"Trap". Outside of 4chan, just... NO. SO harmful, fatally so.

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(Anonymous) 2013-07-03 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
could somebody explain "trap" to me? I've never heard it anywhere before.
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[personal profile] vethica 2013-07-03 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"Trap" means a character who dresses/presents as female but is actually male. The other way around is, of course, a reverse trap. Comes from 4chan.

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[identity profile] galerian-ash.livejournal.com 2013-07-03 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
And sometimes people use it for a male character that they think "looks feminine". Tieria (Gundam 00) got called it all the goddamn time.

warning for offensive term about trans* people

[personal profile] transcriptanon 2013-07-04 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
[Picture is Kei Yuuki, a character from the anime "Moyashimon". He is a young man convincingly crossdressing and wearing a Gothic Lolita style dress. He has long dark hair and blue-ish gray eyes.]

If he was a Real Life person, he'd be the only trap I would seriously consider to date, mostly because he averts the hyper and moe attitude that anime traps tend to have. I just can't stand that. (Also, the Gothic Lolita style is a big plus.]
Edited 2013-07-04 00:15 (UTC)

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[personal profile] transcriptanon 2013-07-04 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I went with "he" as a pronoun since I'm not sure if the character is presenting as female, is crossdressing while still wanting to present as male, or what. I keep finding different descriptions on the internet. No offense was intended.

OP is disappointed

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
Welp, I have to say it, gotta love how people just outright missed the point of the secret and instead discuss the use of the term "trap"...I'm sorry if that was offensive but, really?

Re: OP is disappointed

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
bypassing the point to be offended about stuff is pretty much what fandom does now

Re: OP is disappointed

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
you're right it would be much more fruitful to discuss which particular anime characters give you a boner

Re: OP is disappointed

(Anonymous) 2013-07-04 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
The point of the secret didn't have much substance, though. Seriously, if it weren't for the trap/trans/crossdressing/whatever context, this would probably have been relegated to the failbar as an 'I'd hit it' secret.