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(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 01:07 am (UTC)(link)I'm aware that she's not a presence on the show so it's easy to ignore her, but to me, you can't even think Hannibal Lecter without thinking Clarice Starling. Despite my intense dislike of her fate at the end of Hannibal the book.
In my mind, the two are twisted together.
Emphasis on 'twisted'.
OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 01:43 am (UTC)(link)I just have to resign myself to the fact that people who were introduced via the show are never going to give Clarice her due. fandom's always going to prefer the gay. in the back of my mind, though, for every Hannibal/Will fic I write, I'm always going to be aware that he hasn't met the other half of his OTP yet ...
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 02:41 am (UTC)(link)I just have to resign myself to the fact that people who were introduced via the show are never going to give Clarice her due. fandom's always going to prefer the gay
As much as I am usually okay with people fangasming all over whatever they want, I'm just kind of tired of women basically being pushed to the sides, if not all the way out, of the sandbox. I know people can't help what they go crazy over, and I'm sure as shit not the fandom police, but it makes me want to play less. Even if the show's as great as you're saying. :)
However, if Clarice is ever actually introduced....
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 02:58 am (UTC)(link)if it helps - there are a ton of other awesome ladies on this show.
i love all of them. Abigail, Alana, Beverly, Bedelia, even Freddie.
it's just a shame there's so little femslash in this fandom. :(
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 03:33 am (UTC)(link)see, I agree with what you're saying so much - which is why I made this secret - but at the end of the day, I'm still a fangirl and I can't resist the gay, either.
when I made this secret, I'd just seen some posts on Tumblr about "how dare Clarice break up my OTP" and it .... broke my heart a little. but as long as I cherish the books/movies and kind of mentally keep them separate from the TV canon (and stay off tumblr lol), it works for me ... though it can be really difficult not to be a snob about my interpretations vs. the interpretations of people whose only experience with Hannibal is through the show.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)I totally understand where you are coming from and feel the same way so much of the time. In fact, with Hannibal, I gave up after watching the first episode, because I thought it would be very male-centric, and I wasn't interested. But a friend of mine convinced me to give it another chance, and I fell in love with Alana and Alana/Will.
However, that really only exists in a teeny tiny portion of fandom (like 20 stories for Will/Alana vs. almost 200 Hannibal/Will stories on ff.net, and that is supposed to be the overly het-friendly location, plus next-to-no filled prompts on the kinkmeme) so it is very frustrating to me. I want to have fic and discussions and make graphics and all of that, but not that many people care about her/them, so it lessens my enthusiasm.
But I do like the show, and I recommend it if you enjoy psychological horror stories.
FIC REC
(there's a sequel that actually talks about Clarice quite a bit, but it's almost...fix-it fic? Which is odd. The first one is much better, in my opinion, though they are both very good. To me, they are just...different genres, so I have to be in a different frame of mind to read the sequel.)
The fic is Warrior (http://archiveofourown.org/works/748446).
READ IT. It is unbelievable. Like I said, 80% Hannigram, but it absolutely does not trivialize Clarice Starling.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-10 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)The first of these sentences is probably true. (Though I'm basing my belief solely on discussions that I've read about the show and fandom; I don't watch the show myself and have never seen the movies or read the books.)
The second is demonstrably untrue, however, and imo doesn't really follow from the first sentence. The issue isn't that fandom always prefers the gay; just look at fandoms like Arrow, Castle, Doctor Who, The Hunger Games, Once Upon a Time, and Twilight for counterexamples. The issue is that Clarice hasn't been introduced on the TV show.
By way of comparison, there was very little Smallville fic that included Lois Lane, and almost none in which Lois was a main character, written during the first three seasons of Smallville: seasons in which Clark/Lex, Clark/Chloe, and Clark/Lana were all popular pairings. The reason isn't that no one cared about Lois Lane and/or her relationship with Superman in the comics or movies or previous TV shows like Lois & Clark; it's simply that Lois wasn't introduced as a character on Smallville until the fourth season. And since then, she's had hundreds (thousands?) of fics written about her.
I'm not arguing that there's isn't plenty of misogyny in fandom, but it's not quite as clear-cut as "therefore no female characters and/or het ships ever become popular."
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-13 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2013-07-14 12:11 am (UTC)(link)The reverse is pretty much never true.
Sure it is. I crunched some numbers for various m/m slash-dominated fandoms on the AO3. (I picked the AO3 because the tagging system makes it very easy to access data on the proportions of m/m and m/f fic. Since the AO3 tends to have more of a m/m slant than sites like fanfiction.net, we can assume that for most of the fandoms I examined, the m/m slash bias would be less pronounced if we considered the internet as a whole.)
On AO3, Hunger Games fic is tagged m/f 1850 times and m/m 195 times. 67 stories contain both m/f and m/m. That means that the ratio of m/f to m/m Hunger Games fic is somewhere between 9:1 and 14.5:1 (depending on whether you count the 67 m/m + m/f fics as m/f, m/m, or neither).
By comparison, here are the ratios of m/m to m/f fic in a number of large fandoms that I've always considered to be very m/m slash-dominated. (For the following fandoms, I counted m/m + m/f fics as m/m, under the assumption that most of them have m/m as the endgame pairing. If I'm wrong in that assumption, then some or all of these fandoms could have even less of a m/m bias than my numbers suggest.)
2.5:1 Marvel Cinematic Universe
2.5:1 Star Trek: The Original Series
4.5:1 Star Trek: Alternate Original Series
4.5:1 Stargate Atlantis
6.5:1 Merlin
6.5:1 Person of Interest
8:1 Inception
8:1 Suits
8:1 Supernatural
11:1 Sherlock
18.5:1 Hawaii Five-O
So, with the exception of Hawaii Five-O (whose fandom I'm seriously going to avoid from now on), it's apparent that your typical m/m slash-dominated fandom still manages to generate quite a lot of het: usually in amounts far greater than the proportion of m/m slash in The Hunger Games fandom.