[ SECRET POST #2388 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2388 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Val and Matt]


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03.
[My Chemical Romance]


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04.
[Little House on the Prairie/GoT]


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05.
[The Venture Bros.]


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06.
[Once Upon a Time in Odessa]


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07.
[Gabriel Knight]


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08.
[Dangan Ronpa]


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09.
[America's Cup]


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10.
[Legion]


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11.
[Trailer Park Boys]


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12.
[Warehouse 13]


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13.
[Sugar Bits]


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14.
[Touhou Project, Assassins Creed, Madoka Magica, Rise of the Guardians]










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 030 secrets from Secret Submission Post #341.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

A sexual character doesn't necessarily need to show skin. They can unashamedly desire sex, or enjoy sex, etc. But they don't need to be sexy. They don't need to be remotely attractive- they can look or dress any way. A sexualized character is essentially sexually objectified. In fact, a sexualized character can have no shown desire for sex, but be clad in the skimpiest possible outfit, camera panning up their body, constant sexual poses, etc.

[diet_poison]

So...is it okay if they *are* sexy? Is it okay if they *do* show skin? At what point does it become objectification and not choice? (Yes I know that has a lot to do with the intentions of the creators - but what if an artist wanted to create a character who was both sexy AND sexual, without making her sexualized? Is there no way to do that?

(At this point I am sort of playing devil's advocate. I don't know much about Bayonetta, so I'm not sure where I'd stand on her portrayal specifically. But I do take issue with the implication that a woman needs to be unattractive in order to avoid being sexually objectified.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you were the one who said "sexy", which generally means "attractive", so I pointed out that one doesn't need to be attractive to be sexual. And in RL, less so in the media, plenty of women who aren't conventionally attractive are objectified.

Anyway, yes, one can show skin and be sexy without being sexualized, and it's a fine line. I mostly just pointed out you didn't have to be because there's a misconception that a woman's sexuality pertains primarily to performative sexuality for men's enjoyment, making it about men and not herself. I guess one way to describe "sexualized" as in "there for the intended viewers' sexual pleasure".

I think some level of sexualization is not necessarily a bad thing, but even at a certain degree, women are sexualized disproportionately more than men, which is a problem.

[diet_poison]

So at what point do you have to cover up/stop showing skin to avoid being sexualized?

I guess one way to describe "sexualized" as in "there for the intended viewers' sexual pleasure".

So basically...fanservice. Are you arguing that fanservice with female characters is always bad? Do you think it precludes there being any other aspects to that character?

I think some level of sexualization is not necessarily a bad thing

Are you the same anon I was talking to before?

women are sexualized disproportionately more than men, which is a problem.

This is true, but not the point we were discussing.