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[ SECRET POST #2390 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2390 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Karl Urban]
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[Legend of Zelda]
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03.
[Pride and Prejudice]
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[Shingeki no Kyojin]
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[Les dossiers du Bell]
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06. [SPOILERS for 'Injustice: Gods Among Us'; 'Man of Steel']
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07. [SPOILERS for Welcome to Night Vale]
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08. [SPOILERS for Young Justice]
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09. [SPOILERS for Merlin]
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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]
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11. [SPOILERS for Umineko no Naku Koro ni]
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12. [WARNING for incest]
[Felica & Ryon Day, "Co-Optitude"]
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13. [WARNING for incest]
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14. [WARNING for suicide]
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15. [WARNING for abuse]
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Notes:
Sorry for late again, work's a bit busy this week.
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Re: Does a couple without kids count as "a family"?
(Anonymous) 2013-07-20 02:27 am (UTC)(link)It's interesting, because this kind of all goes into what I believe, which is that the distinction as it currently exists is a social construction and thus should not matter.
In the US, it's different; relatives and family are basically one and the same. People talk about "chosen family," i.e. their close friends, but a "chosen family" isn't given the same weight as a "family" determined by blood relation. I don't think that it should be this way; I think it's worth questioning what is meant by "family." At the end of the day, what is most important is whom we consider closest.
Re: Does a couple without kids count as "a family"?
I'd say if you really believe that social constructions should not matter, perhaps you should abstain from the use of socially constructed nouns and verbs.
Re: Does a couple without kids count as "a family"?
(Anonymous) 2013-07-20 02:44 am (UTC)(link)Oh ho ho, touche.
It's kind of a difficult thing, isn't it? Social constructions and distinctions divide us in harmful ways -- but they also allow us to communicate and to protect ourselves. So, how do we determine which constructions are useful and which are not? Who gets to decide? When are distinctions between groups positive, and when are they negative?
It's actually pretty complex.
I'd suppose that we need to start with the assumption that every human has value, and that every connection a human makes has value, but even that can potentially be problematic. I guess it's no wonder that we still struggle with these questions.
Re: Does a couple without kids count as "a family"?
Around here we say that when you grow up you get to choose your family yourself, your relatives on the other hand are harder to get rid of. And with that, family is the people in your life that you love and care about, though it isn't common to say family out loud, more like an implied social thing, if you get what I mean (though I will be called Aunt when my close friends have children). Your best friend is just as important as your aunt or nephew when it comes to society at large.
Also family is the closest people in your life when it comes to blood ties: Parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, fist cousins and grandparents are family the rest of your blood relations are relatives (though a closer translation might be heritage, though you don't have the right tense for that to work, heritages isn't a word? right?). We don't have family reunions we have Relatives/heritages reunions, because family are the ones you interact with often, relatives are those whom share your last name, I go home to visit my family when I go to my aunts, but I meet up with relatives when I meet my second cousin (exceptions are made, especially in smal families*). And the distinction is quite strickt, and as a child you do get corrected if you use the wrong word...
It is a difficult thing to get right and it all comes down to definitions, but I believe that family are whomever the heck you choose to call family and it is up to you whom those are, and no one have the right to tell you differently.
*and quite probably other languages
*In large families not all aunts/uncles and first cousins will be counted under family, only the ones you are close to.
Re: Does a couple without kids count as "a family"?
(Anonymous) 2013-07-20 02:56 am (UTC)(link)I'm kind of having trouble saying things now, because...this is all just so interesting to me, and I really appreciate you sharing it all.
I guess the big thing is that, around here, everyone to whom you have some sort of blood tie is "family," no matter what. "Relatives" and "family" are interchangeable. You can say that your friends and close loved ones are your "chosen family," but the entire reason you toss "chosen" in there is because, if you didn't, people would look at you askance. I personally don't think that that's correct. I rather like the Norwegian system as you've described it quite a bit more than what I've experienced!