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I have been meaning to ask you this since last time we discussed illegal drugs, and this seems like a good enough excuse to ask it.

As I am not really familiar with other legal systems in the world, I work from the Norwegian one, and over here if you are caught with drugs for personal use you get fined, and if you do end up in jail because of drugs (or criminal activity connected with drugs), you are offered treatment and so on and it will not affect your ability to get a job when you get released (as long as you are clean, though I haven't heard about drug testing at work), the only part of your record a potential employee is allowed to apply to see is the part related to that job, as such Pedophiles don't get to work with children, violent criminals don't get to work with children, the elderly and so on and today I learnt that Ambulance drivers can't have any driving related offences on their record. Because our society has the view that if you have served your time you are officially a regular citizen and we are done punishing you, also for the less serious crimes you can get it wiped from your record after 5 years.

Which basically means that people whom have done drug related crimes are only prohibited to work in places with access to drugs, so where was I? Oh right I had a question, working out from that do you now see why I don't want to legalize illegal drugs? Though I am for the places we have here in Norway with nurses (and doctors probably) where they give heroin to heroin addicts in a safe and controlled environment (and I wish there was more of them), and it isn't like I would protest it if Marijuana would become legal...

That's good, but only a fraction of it (I mean for starters, why are you even criminalising or fining users in the first place?).

The simple reality is you can't stop drug production, importation, and use. We've poured collectively trillions of pounds into the endeavour, and barely made a dent.

The question then becomes fairly simple. Who do you want to profit off that? People who are going to cut their product to shit, and pour all their gains into organised crime, which inevitably tries to diversify their portfolio into fun things like human trafficking, forced prostitution, fraud, etc - or more legitimate entities who can be held to regulations, and who don't spend all their time killing off the competition.

I mean for context, the use in just California is believed to amount to up to 20% of the drug profits made by the Mexican Cartels. Read up what those Cartels do for kicks when you have some free time.

Well if they didn't fine users (and as I understand it they only focus on sellers, I have seen police officers walk past people taking drugs without caring) they would not have anything to do except catch people driving too fast and complaining about lack of manpower then they would get bored... ~~that was a joke about Norwegian crime rates, and also the fact that they want to make begging illegal, but apparently having designated times when begging is allowed would be too much?~~ anyway, moving on to my serious answer.

I do see where you are coming from, and where my problem with illegal drugs lie is not exactly with the drugs themselves, I just don't want illegal drugs around me, but that is a personality thing and so on and it is too complicated to get into now.

And I would be okay with making illegal drugs legal, as long as it is monitored and the heavy drugs are prescription to people whom are already drug addicts and so on. For all I care, pot could be sold alongside my cigarettes as long as you have to be 18 to buy it.

Because as you mention Drug Cartels are not nice people, heck the Norwegian Hell's Angeles aren't really fluffy kittens and they basically deal in drugs and control the tattoo parlours (sp?) in my old hometown among other things and they are responsible for a lot of our crime over here.

As someone whom have grown up among drug use (and criminals for that matter), I do also know that my uncles would not stop being criminals if drugs became legal, even if some of the crime they commit is to get drugs, so making drugs legal is not a quick fix on those types of crimes.

they would not have anything to do except catch people driving too fast and complaining about lack of manpower then they would get bored

I LOL'd. And then the people they caught driving too fast would say, "Don't you have any REAL criminals to catch?" :-D

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