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That's because having bad vision isn't really much of a disadvantage these days.

Based on what you said, I could make some guesses about you...but I won't. One thing that it might help to think about is that most people don't realize they have privilege. For example, most people without a mental illness don't realize how hard it can be to get treatment for it [and, for the record, in the US the top 3 providers of mental health care are *prisons*, so it can be hard depending on where you live]. The state I live in almost passed a bill that would have made it legal for organizations to actively exclude members based on race/sexual orientation/etc.

Also, I'd recommend looking up the effects of racial profiling, and generally reading up on racism in the modern day, and homophobia/the challenges facing the gay community. There are still a lot of problems, and a lot of times when people *aren't* treated equally that is automatically given to - using the other anon's example - heterosexual cis men, who *are* a smaller part of the population compared to everyone who gets a disadvantage from *not* being that.

? You really like judging people, don't you? And not being able to see well is a damn big disadvantage, thanks. Not being able to see more than a blur is terrifying.
I do know about most of those problems. What I'm saying is that I find social justice language very confusing and hard to understand the concepts. Because words like "privilege", are used in ways that they don't usually get used in and that are not explained anywhere. And you can't even ask without people making assumptions about you and insulting you. This here is pretty much the most polite response I've ever gotten to any question in regards to social justice.

It took me five years to figure out what was actually MEANT when people went on about privilege. I don't even disagree with most stuff, the language is just so weird it genuinely takes me ages to figure out what people actually mean.

I do know that people aren't treated equally. What I SAID is that in most of those cases, the people NOT discriminated against don't actually get an advantage out of it, because they are so far in the majority that the advantage isn't even noticeable. The minority people DO get a disadvantage, of course they do. that was never in question. Not having a disadvantage... isn't considered a privilege ANYWHERE, except in social justice language.

If there are 100 people, and 99 get ice cream and 1 does not? That sucks for the 1, but the 99 that do get ice cream are NOT any better off than they would be if all 100 had ice cream. By my definition, the 99 do not have privilege. (But the 1 should definitely get ice cream).

If 10 people have ice cream and 90 have not? The 10 definitely have an advantage. And privilege.

I am legally blind without my glasses, so I am very well aware of what it's like to not be able to see. However, I also know what it's like to be disabled in other ways - and having weak eyes? That's a very bad reference point. I'm not saying that to mean that bad eyes isn't a disadvantage - it is. But you're not hampered by people making a ton of assumptions about what you can/cannot do based on it usually.

For example, I also have a mental illness. I've had people assume that I can't do my job once they found that - despite the fact I was doing it fine prior to that. I've been passed over for promotions and other things because of it, and I've even had people assume that I was a slavering lunatic who was about to hurt them...and that was someone I'd known for years.

More often than not in the issues SJ takes up with, it's closer to your second example than it is your first.

Also, for the record - I'm not trying to insult you, and I'm not judging you. I was pointing out that it's possible you don't see some of the ones you're claiming aren't 'privilege' because you're not in those groups and don't have to deal with it. As far as it goes, I get that this is confusing concept and, more often than not, ends up frustrating both sides when it's discussed.

However, I do ask that you stop being so defensive.

You are still making assumptions here. I never said anyone wasn't having a disadvantage, I SAID the word privilege is weirdly (or incorrectly) used.

YOU have a disadvantage because of your mental illness and a disadvantage because people are assholes and treat you badly for it. That does NOT mean that people without a mental illness get any advantage. Because there are not enough people with mental illnesses to actually make a difference.

I only brought up my bad eyes to make it clear that I think the same thing when I'm the one with the disadvantage - just because I can't see well, doesn't mean anyone else has an advantage. Whether or not I can see doesn't actually help anyone else. Thus, nobody has any "privilege" from that. The only case I have seen where privilege actually applies is male vs female, because *drumroll* half the population is female. A very stupid, untalented, lazy and all around not-awesome man? Can easily become supervisor if everyone else in that jobfield is female, simply because he is male. Therefore, privilege.
An able-bodied person who is stupid, untalented, lazy and all around not awesome? Would have a very hard time to find a jobfield where everyone else was disabled. You don't GET any handouts from society just for being able-bodied. Thus, not a privilege. (You DO get a lot of shit for NOT being able-bodied. Thus, a disadvantage).

I am literally only arguing the word here.

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