[ SECRET POST #2394 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2394 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

snape wank is my favorite wank and I really don't know why.

ftr though, I agree. I do think he cared for her, but I think he was more obsessed than anything else. Remember that scene in the book where he told told Dumbledore that they should give Harry and James to Voldermort if it meant they could save Lily and Dumbledore was like "wtf bro?"? You don't do something like that out of love and any rational person would understand that Lily would never, ever want something like that to save her own life. No one who honestly and truly loved her would suggest that.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do think that snape loved lily, but in a very fucked up and horrible way. it definitely wasn't the "pure and noble" kind of love that a lot of people in fandom think snape held for lily. It's the terrible and twisted kind of love that no one wants to be on the receiving end on.

[(Anonymous)]

This. His love became very twisted & obsessive to the point to where, as someone below said, he was more in love with the idea of Lily than Lily herself.

[gabzillaz]

MTE

[(Anonymous)]

This. I don't think the Death Eater thing proves he didn't love her, but his obsessiveness, stalkery behavior, and in particuar his willingness for her husband and son to die shows that he didn't really love her.

[diet_poison]

Snape wank makes me uncomfortable sometimes because I got SJW'd really bad on some a while back, so it makes me kind of nervous about expressing my opinions unless I agonize about wording them the right way.

It's still pretty entertaining to read, though.

This secret was obvious trying to set some up - let's see if it delivers.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're nervous, maybe you feel they had a point and you should own it. Else just say shove it.

[diet_poison]

Wait, because people jumping on you always makes them right? huh?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I think that ayrt is saying that it's silly to worry about what the SJWs who jumped on you were saying unless you on some level agree with them

I don't know if I agree with that but I do think you should probably just ignore that kind of thing. Just gotta brush that dirt off your shoulder.

[(Anonymous)]

"It only hurts if it's (somewhat) true" is applicable only to 100% perfectly well-balanced people without irrational insecurity, which don't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Only if you think the only kind of love is selfless love, and love can't ever be twisted or unhealthy. When people examine abusive relationships where it's apparent that the abuser does love the abused, we're horrified because it just doesn't seem possible, that there can be love that is so selfish and destructive -- but it is possible, even common, especially for damaged individuals.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd actually argue that isn't love. Love isn't perfectly selfless, but completely twisted and obsessive romantic feelings aren't love.

Although, I'd be okay with people calling Snape's feelings love if that is what they meant. But generally, people find his feelings toward Lily romantic. When people (and the author, for that matter) call it love, they aren't generally talking about the obsessive, stalkery kind. They generally think it is romantic when he says he has always loved her. They find nothing all that wrong with his obsessiveness or stalking of her, and they downplay his willingness for Harry and James to die (and his treatment of Harry, her son, for that matter).

[(Anonymous)]

Whereas I think it is love, but isn't romantic or at least shouldn't be romanticized. His feelings originate from the same affections and desires that make other people fall in love, but he lacks the ability to express them like a healthy individual because he never learned the skills to do so. His choices in life further changed him and mangled those feelings to where they are as we find them in the story.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

To add to the above though, I have to say that this is how I feel about it and I'm not sure JKR actually agrees. She seems to think Snape's love for Lily is pure in some way, since it's what allows him to cast a Patronus where no other DE can. But I'm iffy on that.

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't say Death Eaters are incapable of creating patronuses, just that they never did because they were on the same side as Dementors. They probably could've done it if they had to for some reason.

One of the most evil characters, Umbridge, could produce one, and she produced it out of pretty nasty and horrible emotions, considering the circumstances. Snape producing one doesn't necessarily mean his emotions were pure or legitimately good, just that Lily was the cause of his happiness.

[(Anonymous)]

Did Rowling call Snape's love romantic? I know she's mentioned it, but I thought she meant it was a positive thing in the sense that he was actually capable of a positive emotion for someone else, not that it's the kind of love everyone should aspire to. People still wank over her "who'd want Snape in love with them?" comment way back in the day, I can't believe "romantic" is what readers were meant to take away from The Prince's Tale.

[tasogare_n_hime]

I recall her saying something along the lines about Snape's having the ability to love being the only thing that kept him from being pretty much as bad as Voldemort.

But that was forever ago, so I'm not really sure I remember right.

[darkmanifest]

This, definitely. I've always felt that love does not, by default, encompass respect, compassion, kindness, consideration, or any of that positivity. You can treat someone well without loving them, and you can treat someone terribly while loving them. To me, love, by itself, is not either a good or bad thing, it's a powerful attachment to someone or something that can be either really beautiful or really horrible depending on whole bunch of other factors about a person, who they are, how they think, what they want, and how they express themselves.

So, I can believe Snape loved Lily, while also believing that didn't matter since he chose to be a total asshole about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention, there are stories of abusive men who have put themselves in danger to protect their girlfriends/wives...then go home and beat them.

[shinyhappypanic]

yeah, his "love" read more as infatuation to me.

[(Anonymous)]

So he loved her selfishly, enough that her being alive was more important to him than her emotional devastation. It's still love, it's just not noble or selfless.