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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-07-25 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2396 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2396 ⌋

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[Jason Segel, in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"]


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[identity profile] magyargirl3.livejournal.com 2013-07-25 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
OP, do you need a glass of water? You sound really upset.

Also, you're wrong. Hermione is not anywhere near Umbridge. She is far more intelligent than Umbridge, and works to bring about respect for other races. Sure, she's a little (okay, a fair bit) annoying, but who WASN'T when s/he was a teen? I know that I was downright insufferable with all my dreams about saving the world from itself and my criticisms of the way things worked.

Also, you seem to have forgotten that she was a kind and helpful person once she outgrew being a arrogant twit in her first year. If she really had been like Umbridge, she would never have stayed friends with Ron and Harry, and rather ratted them out each and every time they did something wrong.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
OP here, and I'd have a lot fewer problems with Hermione if "a fair bit annoying" was all she was, but no, I don't find a kind or helpful person in the same girl who tried to trick house-elves into freedom (something that drove Winky into chronic depression, which Hermione knew damn well) because they weren't getting on board with her new cause themselves. And of course she knew what was best for them because, what, she's just that smart?

She's more intelligent than Umbridge in that she lacks Umbridge's prejudice, but no, I haven't seen much evidence that she's as smart as she's made out to be. The only reason she didn't get caught in the exact same trap she sent Umbridge to in OotP is because Grawp was in the right place at the right time. She wasn't smart or understanding enough to realize that centaurs already tense over human relations might not appreciate being used as pawns in a human's plan.

And please, a big reason she stayed friends with Ron and Harry is because not many others could actually stand her, even as they got older. And then it became about the war, which let's face it, affected her pretty directly and she was in the perfect place to make a difference and affect the outcome herself. It wasn't all about selfless friendship.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
something that drove Winky into chronic depression



what kind of horseshit is that. like did you forget the whole crouch thing or

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Did you miss the part where Crouch freed Winky and she spent the whole year at Hogwarts sobbing and getting drunk on Butterbeer to the point of passing out? It's in Goblet of Fire.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
that was my point? hermione had nothing to do with winky becoming a mess. might've upset her but calling her the cause for her "chronic depression" is horseshit. did you read the book?

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 09:21 am (UTC)(link)
The original anon didn't mean that Hermione was the cause for Winky's chronic depression, but that BEING FREED was and that was something Hermione was then trying to force on other house elves DESPITE KNOWING how it had affected Winky.

Reading comprehension. It's a thing.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
Not the other anon, but I think the point was supposed to be that Hermione witnessed Winky being freed and becoming depressed, and should therefore know from that experience that her actions (trying to forcibly free House Elves) are a bad idea. It's not that she's responsible for Winky (she isn't) but that she should have learnt from seeing what happened to Winky what a bad idea her own actions were.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-26 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Counterpoint: Dobby enjoyed being free. She has no way of knowing which of the two reactions are liable to be the most common. The perils of low sample sizes in experiments people.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-27 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
She could've guessed by the way EVERY one of the house-elves in Hogwarts' kitchens were horrified by her ideas and kicked the trio out of the kitchen. Dobby, otoh, was miserable while in service to the Malfoys, so of course he was thrilled to be free. But even he implied to her that he was the exception, not the rule.