[ SECRET POST #2396 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2396 ⌋

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[Jason Segel, in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"]


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[The Cinema Snob]


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[The Fall]















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Orchestration of centaur-rape of her enemies.

[(Anonymous)]

she didn't orchestrate shit. that situation was so entirely out of her control, in particular umbridge's choice to start screaming racial epithets or w/e

[truxillogical]

I swear I remember her saying something to the centaurs about how she was hoping they could "take care of" Umbridge for them. Can't remember if that was made up on the fly or not. If it wasn't...yeah, it's just one more messed up thing.

[world_eater]

Afterwards she says that she hoped they'd drive her off for them. You know, the women who wanted to use the Cruciatus curse on them.


She even tells Umbridge not to call them half-breeds.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that makes up for her using them as tools in her own plan? They had every right to be pissed off about that, however terrible Umbridge was being, Hermione was being condescending to them too.

[world_eater]

You're making an entirely different argument?




Though for the heck of it, yeah, how dare she expect people to help two kids who are threatened with torture. What an arrogant bitch.

[(Anonymous)]

The centaurs didn't know and likely wouldn't care that Umbrdge had threatened to torture a kid. They had their own issues and yes, Hermione was an arrogant bitch here. She knew the centaurs were already angry with wizards in general, she was expecting Umbridge to say the wrong thing, and her plan was to use their justified anger to remove her own problem. She didn't ask them. Not that she had time to, but even a "please help us" would've at least made them a willing part of her plan.

[(Anonymous)]

But... that was in the text too? The centaurs turned on Hermione with those exact arguments. And I don't feel like they were presented as being wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

And this is why "they had every right to be pissed off about that.", as they were. the fact that the text for once acknowledged it doesn't make Hermione any less arrogant here.

[(Anonymous)]

bawwwww those poor centaurs, dragged into the evil plots of a little girl.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, I don't even have a response to this. Come back when you have a point to make.

[world_eater]

That's a very funny thing to say because the exact moment that Hermione says she'd hoped they'd be able to help them is the moment the centaurs go apeshit because they "do not help humans!".

[(Anonymous)]

Yes - after she'd just told them she'd used them and they were calling her on arrogance.

[truxillogical]

Because that makes up for her using them as tools in her own plan?

You're making an entirely different argument?

Nah, that was pretty much part of the same one.

[world_eater]

I took issue with you talking half-knowledge.

[truxillogical]

She tells people not to treat the House Elves like slaves too, but she has no problem walking all over the actual needs and feelings of the creatures she Knows Better Than.

Not saying that they're equal acts of heinousness. Just that her telling Umbridge not to call them half-breeds doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not she was trying to manipulate them. Hermione has a very strong sense of Right And Wrong, and won't stand for those things that most kids brought up these days know of as Wrong--broad-spectrum racism, like name-calling.

Likewise, Umbridge being about to torture them doesn't change anything either. A character is defined by how they act under pressure. I'm not even saying that she should have just let herself be tortured, or that it wasn't clever to manipulate the situation the way she did. I always like reading a good manipulation.

It just bugs me that Hermione gets held up as a role model or as virtuous, because really, she's very cunning, manipulative, and downright vicious in a lot of situations. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging a character's less savory traits, and it's always bugged me that in most places, even if you can rag on Harry for his character flaws, bringing up Hermione's Dark Side moments immediately get a response of "well, she HAD to" or some variant of "justification." Characters much worse than Hermione often have justification for the bad or just unpleasant things they do, but the fact that they chose to do those things in a bad situation is how we know what kind of character they are.

[(Anonymous)]

The next Dark Lord of the Potter-verse is the Dark Lady Granger! Obviously the marriage to Ron is just a political calculation to gain some of the Weasley's "Pureblood" respectability and cement her status as being on the winning side while she works to build support and her own control apparatus as well as having a malleable stooge for a husband. All Hail Lady Granger, Dark Lord Over All!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I would totally buy that and have seen the idea done very well. Hermione's easily the scariest of the trio, and she has it in her to go Dark as much as any of them.

[fuchsiascreams]

Okay, come on. Some of the previous argument weren't entirely untrue, but the idea that Hermione would turn into a Dark witch of some kind is just ridiculous. Let's not take the argument to that much of a radical extreme.

[(Anonymous)]

Given how much resemblance other wizarding-world magical creatures bear to their real-world-mythology counterparts, it's not necessarily the case that the centaurs would have raped her. Actual Greek-mythology centaurs? Yes. HP centaurs? Who the fuck knows.

[(Anonymous)]

Hermione Granger knows, don't mess with Hermione Granger or she will fuck your shit up.