[ SECRET POST #2396 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2396 ⌋

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[Jason Segel, in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall"]


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[The Cinema Snob]


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Comments

[fauxkaren]

Hermione isn't perfect, and as I've grown older I recognize issues with her character that I didn't notice as a kid.

But.

"Basically a teenage Umbridge"?

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[(Anonymous)]

Internalised misogyny.

I bet she wouldn't say that about any of the menz!!

[fauxkaren]

u tried it

[(Anonymous)]

yeah that's pretty

uh

fucking ridiculous

[(Anonymous)]

If anything, Hermione's problem was that she tried too hard not to be Umbridge, and to punish anyone who came close.

[(Anonymous)]

Orchestration of centaur-rape of her enemies.

[(Anonymous)]

she didn't orchestrate shit. that situation was so entirely out of her control, in particular umbridge's choice to start screaming racial epithets or w/e

[truxillogical]

I swear I remember her saying something to the centaurs about how she was hoping they could "take care of" Umbridge for them. Can't remember if that was made up on the fly or not. If it wasn't...yeah, it's just one more messed up thing.

[world_eater]

Afterwards she says that she hoped they'd drive her off for them. You know, the women who wanted to use the Cruciatus curse on them.


She even tells Umbridge not to call them half-breeds.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that makes up for her using them as tools in her own plan? They had every right to be pissed off about that, however terrible Umbridge was being, Hermione was being condescending to them too.

[world_eater]

You're making an entirely different argument?




Though for the heck of it, yeah, how dare she expect people to help two kids who are threatened with torture. What an arrogant bitch.

[truxillogical]

She tells people not to treat the House Elves like slaves too, but she has no problem walking all over the actual needs and feelings of the creatures she Knows Better Than.

Not saying that they're equal acts of heinousness. Just that her telling Umbridge not to call them half-breeds doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not she was trying to manipulate them. Hermione has a very strong sense of Right And Wrong, and won't stand for those things that most kids brought up these days know of as Wrong--broad-spectrum racism, like name-calling.

Likewise, Umbridge being about to torture them doesn't change anything either. A character is defined by how they act under pressure. I'm not even saying that she should have just let herself be tortured, or that it wasn't clever to manipulate the situation the way she did. I always like reading a good manipulation.

It just bugs me that Hermione gets held up as a role model or as virtuous, because really, she's very cunning, manipulative, and downright vicious in a lot of situations. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging a character's less savory traits, and it's always bugged me that in most places, even if you can rag on Harry for his character flaws, bringing up Hermione's Dark Side moments immediately get a response of "well, she HAD to" or some variant of "justification." Characters much worse than Hermione often have justification for the bad or just unpleasant things they do, but the fact that they chose to do those things in a bad situation is how we know what kind of character they are.

[(Anonymous)]

The next Dark Lord of the Potter-verse is the Dark Lady Granger! Obviously the marriage to Ron is just a political calculation to gain some of the Weasley's "Pureblood" respectability and cement her status as being on the winning side while she works to build support and her own control apparatus as well as having a malleable stooge for a husband. All Hail Lady Granger, Dark Lord Over All!

[(Anonymous)]

Given how much resemblance other wizarding-world magical creatures bear to their real-world-mythology counterparts, it's not necessarily the case that the centaurs would have raped her. Actual Greek-mythology centaurs? Yes. HP centaurs? Who the fuck knows.

[(Anonymous)]

Hermione Granger knows, don't mess with Hermione Granger or she will fuck your shit up.

[(Anonymous)]

I...can kind of see it, if you consider how she treated that one girl for telling about the DA.

That said, it's still a huge stretch.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference, however reprehensible that action was (!!!), is that for all her being super duper smart, Hermione's still a teenager when that stuff goes down. It's a scary ass thing to do to someone, but I don't think it was the same sort of calculated cruelty that Umbridge gets up to. Pretty sure I was much meaner as a teen than I am now; it doesn't make my actions excusable, but it does mean I was young enough to learn and not do that shit again.

[(Anonymous)]

Except she didn't learn. No one every brings up how gross that SNEAK curse was, and she pretty much just goes on doing similarly scary stuff in the next two books.

[truxillogical]

I don't think it was the same sort of calculated cruelty that Umbridge gets up to.

I'm not really on the "Hermione is as bad as Umbridge" train, much as I dislike her, but, well...the curse on Marietta was one of the most calculated and cruel things she did (her parents might top it, but that was more cold than cruel). "Let's, ah, all sign this paper so we'll know who we all are."

She tricked a bunch of kids who were going to a trial meeting of a club into signing a cursed paper, a blank contract, and had the will and the cruelty to make it a curse that would scar someone for life.

It's even worse when you just think of all the circumstances surrounding Marietta at the time. She gets snotty commentary from Harry and folks say she deserved it, but she seemed more like someone trying to do right by her friend and later her mother who got way in over her head.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel like the permanency was too much. Make it a week, or maybe even a month, okay. It's still mean, but it's there to fulfill its purpose (tell them who was the sneak) and then it's over. But permanent? That was just too cruel. What if Umbridged had used the cruciatus curse, or the Veritas serum (which was in the movie I think?)

[truxillogical]

Exactly that. There are, as you point out, at least two ways that someone in the Wizarding World can get a confession without a willing stool pigeon. Beyond that, there was a very subtle comment about Marietta's mother's job for the Ministry, which makes it not all that unlikely that Umbridge tried a little blackmail as well.

It's been a while sense I've seen the movie, but I think they did imply she'd used the truth potion on her, possibly to make it a neater, shorter scene. But in the movie she doesn't get hexed either.

Actually, I like Hermione (and Hermione/Ron's relationship) loads better in the movies.

[cyren2132]

Where do you get that she was scarred "for life"?

[(Anonymous)]

Rowling said it was permanent. You want to know the scary part, Rowling thinks it was justified, and would be fine with that in the real world too. Even adult authors can be evil shits at times too.

[dragonimp]

Well that changes the whole feel of that scene. I had assumed reading it that they would go away like regular pimples. Dude, that's just wrong.

[truxillogical]

She definitely had the scars years later, and in an interview Rowling did say that they were permanent.