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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-03 03:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #2405 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2405 ⌋

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Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-03 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The age of consent is only 14, if the other person is also close to 14 in age though. The way you phrase it makes it seem like any 30 year old could go after a 14 year old and be perfectly fine. Which, uh, very much not the case.

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Re: Dear fandom friends

[personal profile] making_excuses 2013-08-03 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Not in Iceland, in Spain it is 13 and both those laws just specify that you can't trick someone under the age of 18 to have sex with you, either with gifts or harassment... And in Norway if you are 16 there is no upper limit of whom can have sex with you (as long as no force is used), I am pretty sure Denmark (15) and Sweden (16) have the same rules, though I am no expert. (I had to look up those ages, though I knew Iceland was lower than Norway)

We don't punish someone who is 16 if s/he has sex with a 15 year old (as long as both wanted to do it), and two 15 year olds are not doing anything illegal.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-03 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't punish someone who is 16 if s/he has sex with a 15 year old (as long as both wanted to do it), and two 15 year olds are not doing anything illegal.

Well, neither does America. At least in most places - I'm pretty sure where I am, it's as long as you're within a year or two of the person, it's acceptable. But it's a state by state thing so there probably are some ridiculous states where someone might punish someone for that.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
There was a case a number of years ago where a 13-year-old had sex with a 12-year-old and they were both charged with statutory rape.

I wish I could remember what state it happened in.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
Might have been California. They have this RIDICULOUS law that anyone who has sex with someone under 18 - even if they're under 18 themselves - is charged with a misdemeanor. No close-in-age clauses at all. Which means that if two seventeen-year-olds have consensual sex with each other in California, they're both charged with a misdemeanor for having sex with a minor.
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Re: Dear fandom friends

[personal profile] shortysc22 2013-08-04 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
New Jersey has an age of consent of 16 but only if the older partner is not more than four years older than the younger partner.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-03 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That is nice. I was just responding to your assessment that the age of consent in the Netherlands is 14. Which it really really is not. Next time you go around stating fact you might want to, you know, check them first.

In the Netherlands, any manner of sexual acts under the age of 12 are completely illegal.
Sexual acts committed between the age of 12 and 16 are legal unless a complaint is filed. Which generally translates to two kids of equal of close ages having sex is fine, an adult have sex with a 14 year old is not.
Sexual acts committed after the age of 16 are completely legal

(this, of course, assumes all consenting parties)

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-03 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*all parties are consenting, rather.
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Re: Dear fandom friends

[personal profile] making_excuses 2013-08-03 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually think it was a teacher in high school whom told me that fact, I never felt the need to look up the specifics of the law, so there is that? Or possibly somewhere on television, or a quiz. Now I am really wondering why we keep saying the age of consent is 14 in The Netherlands...

Though that does not justify me stating a fact that is wrong, I should probably have used Iceland as an example instead of The Netherlands, but as I can't turn back time...

I keep forgetting that age of consent is handled differently in other countries, which does not justify me being wrong about something, but I am used to the fact that the age of consent is the age of consent and it is only one age.

Thank you for the explanation Anon! And I will be sure to remember that from now on!

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
You know what makes you an asshole? The fact that making_excuses responded calmly and rationally to this; admitted to being wrong; and thanked you for correcting him/her, yet you have yet to say anything in response.

You are concerned only with humiliating others. You like to be right because it makes you feel superior, and because it gives you license to bully. You don't actually care about real people.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
lolwhat

The reason I have not said anything in response is cause I was not online. It is saturday night, man, and it is not exactly a hugely thrilling day here on fandomsecrets.

I am not concerned with humiliating others, I am not even concerned with humiliating
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lolwhat

The reason I have not said anything in response is cause I was not online. It is saturday night, man, and it is not exactly a hugely thrilling day here on fandomsecrets.

I am not concerned with humiliating others, I am not even concerned with humiliating <user="making_excuses">. They made an incorrect factual claim which I corrected them on. No biggie. Case closed. I just corrected them on it cause there is a tendency amongst certain corners of the internet and media to paint the Netherlands as some highly depraved country (weed, low age of consent, killing grannies, oh my!) which it really ain't. It's a pretty boring place, actually.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
But you were an ass about it. And you didn't even have the decency to be like, "oh okay" after the fact. Instead, you're responding to me. ME! Who the fuck am I, even?

The person who's gonna be thinking, "oh man, I hope I didn't upset that anon" is making_excuses, and you don't care.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, reading this thread, making_excuses comes across as a level-headed, reasonable adult. I doubt they need you fighting their not-even-existing battles.

I had no intention of being an ass, but if I came across like that, then I apologize. Like I said, the laws of my country often get purposely misrepresented to make us seem like a more deviant or godless place. I guess I might have been more tense about it than I realize.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
why do you know all this, omfg

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Re: Dear fandom friends

[personal profile] making_excuses 2013-08-04 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
I googled age of consent The Netherlands in Norwegian and came across a News Article talking about age of consent in different countries and how to protect our own teenagers from old men/women.

I am also Norwegian, and I know the laws of my neighbouring countries, because well I am taught them either in school or through media...

It isn't like I will ever need this information.

Re: Dear fandom friends

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just boggled that you've remembered it all.

Although some searching of my brain reveals I know my nearby states age of consents as well so huh, go you brain for remembering things.

Just omfg haha, please creep OP out some more.
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Re: Dear fandom friends

[personal profile] making_excuses 2013-08-04 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Same way that I remember drinking ages tbh, or license plate numbers, and really anything... I don't forget facts easily. (seriously though, I did look it up right before writing the comment to make sure I had the right ages, I had no idea about Spain)

GO BRAINS indeed!

I can keep going, like talk about the age I started being sexualy active, or about some of my friends whom dated men 10 years their senior when they was 16? Oh or a girl I was in the same class as, whom lived with a man who had a son two years younger than her and she was 18... Or how many people I know of whom lost their virginity to 18/19 year olds when they where 14/15.

Different attitudes towards sex, we trust that our 16 year olds are old enough to make the decision in their own lives and of course educate them about safe sex and rape is still rape no matter what age the people are.