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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-04 03:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #2406 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see how being annoyed with everything being 100% gay is the same as everything being annoyed with everything 100% trans.

If you're annoyed by something, you're annoyed by something. OK.
But I wouldn't invite comparisons.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
What is this even trying to say?

How are they not similar?

There is a huge overlap in the kinds of discrimination faced by both groups that's why it's the lgbt community* and they're both considered queer.

And everything above about how trans* people use fandom to find the representation they don't have also applies to gay people. They have similar reasons for writing fics and the fics annoy people in similar ways.

I would get it if you were saying "you can't compare 'everyone is trans*' fics to shitty high school AUs."

*Ideally, I mean. Obviously there are a lot of problems within and I'm not saying that cis gay people face all the same issues that trans* people do.

Man I don't know maybe you're wankbaiting in which case I'm gonna invite all the comparisons

to a slumber party at my place

(Anonymous) 2013-08-05 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
There is a huge overlap in the kinds of discrimination faced by both groups that's why it's the lgbt community* and they're both considered queer.

Tons of political and social "groups" face discrimination all the time, but that doesn't make them the same.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-05 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
I said there was an overlap and they were similar not that they were exactly the same. In fact there is a footnote that specifically says cis gay people don't face the same issues as trans* people wow. But there are still some ways we relate, like having to come out, being affected by many of the same laws, the fact that many trans* people might think they are gay or gay people think they are trans* because hey it is a confusing world and it's not like schools teach this in depth or there are tons of books and shows that we grow up with that help out, the fact that the people committing the hate crimes certainly don't care about the difference, and, more to the point, the fics are written for the same basic reason and annoy people in the same way.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-04 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
How is "I'm annoyed by everyone being 100% a Particular Identity" not the same as "I'm annoyed by everyone being 100% a Particular Identity?"

(Anonymous) 2013-08-05 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Particular Identity

Being extremely vague isn't helping your point.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-05 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Being gay is different from being trans*. Gay individuals face a different set of issues than trans* individuals. However, turning a cast 100% gay is fundamentally the same as turning a cast 100% trans*, because the motivations are fundamentally the same: projection, activism, fetishization, or some combination thereof. There can be a difference between being annoyed by a cast that's been turned 100% gay and a cast that's been turned 100% trans*, in the sense that some people might be annoyed due to a personal dislike for one or the other. But generally, in both cases, people are annoyed by the homogenization and erasure of canon.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-05 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone in a story inexplicably having the same trait, any trait at all, in defiance of what you'd expect to see in any real-life situation, is pretty much guaranteed to irritate people. If you're sitting there going "But why is everybody gay/trans/pregnant/wearing identical shoes/refusing to eat anything but Nutella?" and the author doesn't explain it, and all the other authors in your subset of fandom are doing the exact same thing--yeah, that would quickly get annoying as fuck.