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Wow.

I don't see anyone saying they admire or want to be like her. Obviously the woman made a lot of mistakes and yes she did pay for them, but if you don't see what's distasteful about this whole thing I don't even know what to say to you.

(Okay, I will say this.)

It's spiteful and wrong and could get out to her family and friends (who I'm sure were going through enough pain; no one needs to see something like that).

She's dead. There isn't anything funny about that no matter the reason for her death, and if nothing else the loss of a human life (no matter your feelings toward her), should mean something.

That's all I'm going to say about the subject.

Death is funny. There's no reason for it not to be. We are all going to die. You, me, everyone in this thread. There's no reason to make it more than what it is: the final part of the journey. The part that we all get to share, for better or for worse.

I don't feel any worse about someone mocking Amy Winehouse's death than I do about the Darwin Awards for mocking the deaths of others. And, thing is, if someone on F!S had posted a story from the Darwin Awards in the comments prior to me saying any of this, most of those who are currently incensed would likely have joined in a chorus of "wow, how stupid" and "hahaha." You would not have thought about the fact that the person featured in the tale had friends and family, and that the mockery would most likely have gotten back to said friends and family.

Winehouse was famous.

That's the only thing that makes her different. It's the only thing that makes you care.

But it shouldn't.

I would not be all right with someone making a cake shaped like any recently deceased person. Tasteless and gross.

Everyone keeps saying it's tasteless, but no one is able to say why. They just keep repeating, "tasteless" and "her parents!"

it's disrespectful to make a zombie cake of a person who had died a month previously, both to the memory of the deceased and to their grieving families. why is this so hard for you to get?

Because saying "it's disrespectful because it's disrespectful" isn't a reason.

You feel that something is because you feel that it is, and you aren't even capable of thinking about why it makes you feel that way.

If that's what you got out of what I said, well I won't waste anymore time with this. Have a good night then.

So, that's it, then? Someone asks you to really think about why you feel a certain way and to come up with reasons for it and your response is "well bye?"

It must suck to be so afraid to question yourself.

I asked myself, "do I really want to bother trying to explain my reasons to someone who clearly doesn't actually give a shit about them and just wants to feel superior or something, or do I want to go do absolutely anything else?"

Guess what my answer is!

And yet, here you are!

Dude, come on, stop being a jerk on purpose. It's kind of obvious you don't even care about your position. You're only trying to rile people up.

But hey, you want someone to dumb it down even further?

It hurts other people's feelings.

That's why. That's it. It hurts people's feelings.

I actually do care about my position. If I didn't, then I'd have been gone long ago.

You didn't dumb it down at all. You are the first person to actually give an honest-to-god reason. My next question would be, of course, "why does it hurt their feelings?" And you probably won't answer it. But I'm sure glad you answered the first one.

Well you have a funny way of showing it.

And it hurts their feelings because someone they love and care about is being mocked.

Edit: And it kind of was dumbing it down because one of the dictionary definitions of tasteless is, "lacking in politeness, seemliness, tact, etc.; unmannerly; insensitive: a tasteless remark." The reason we have politeness and things like described above is to not hurt people's feelings. Essentially, in my head when I hear tasteless I think, "Oh, that person said/did something that shows they lack empathy for another person because of how that other person feels/views the situation." I hope that helps you understand people in the future when they say something is tasteless.

Edited 2013-08-05 03:13 (UTC)

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BECAUSE IT IS MEAN TO HER PARENTS AND OTHER FAMILY!

But it would have been ok if it was, say, an Elvis Presley zombie cake? He didn't die recently, so it's cool to do it now, right?

I doubt the cake was tasteless.

LOL, I get it.

omfg are u 14

baby's first nihilist post

Do you even know what nihilism is? 'Cause that ain't it.

Try again.

Pretty sure that falls into one of its many branches. Even if it didn't

You're still a try-hard

And so are you.

Let's try hard together.

It's about having respect for life, especially for another human's life. It's about recognising that she was a fellow human being, and a talented artist at that, whose personal demons got the better of her, rather than just a collection of amusing or titillating tabloid factoids. And if you still have to ask 'why' now, then it's you who just doesn't get 'it', or more accurately, 'empathy'.

Yes, death can sometimes be funny, and it definitely happens to us all. But sometimes finding irreverent humour amusing does not negate or mean one doesn't have the right to draw the line and respect the dead.

To counter what you said, if was at a themed party and someone had a zombie cake of a recently deceased unfamous person whom know one at the party had known, I would still be horrified. To mock a personal death for the sake of it is senseless, no matter who it is.

You said "Winehouse was famous. That's the only thing that makes her different. It's the only thing that makes you care." I think it's actually more accurate to say that Winehouse's fame is the only thing that makes people think they have a right to mock her death, because celebrity makes people seem less real.

But it shouldn't.

Thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned response.

And, if after making that last statement, you still write/read RPF, I'll be disappointed.

AYRT doesn't read RPF, but also doesn't think that is a fair comparison. The act of having fantasies about another person or people and then sharing those fantasies, while it does walk a fine line of objectifying those people (and there are certainly tinhats who completely dehumanise the people they're supposed to be supporting) is not equivalent to reducing the entirety of a person's life (and after they're dead, no less, so they cannot defend themselves) to a punchline at a Halloween party.

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