[ SECRET POST #2411 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2411 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Supernatural/Jensen Ackles]


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[Mathias Lillmåns of Finntroll; Jonne Järvelä of Korpiklaani; Heri Joensen of Týr]


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[Welcome to Night Vale]


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[The Sweeney]


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[Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger, RP]


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[Bioshock Infinite: Burial at Sea]


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[NCIS]


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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]


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[Daniel Sharman/Teen Wolf]


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[Chris Hardwick and Janet Varney]


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23. [SPOILERS for Strawberry Night, Strawberry Night: Invisible Rain]
[WARNING for rape]




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24. [WARNING for depression, abuse, suicide]

[Harry Potter]


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Notes:

Sorry about that, miscounted during the week and it was a bit longer than usual.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Two different things.

We first think Snape is an asshole and later a murderous traitor, and he turns out to be a hero all along.

We first think James is a wonderful guy, and he turns out to be a bullying asshole.

So in both cases we find out our initial views of the characters are wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape is a hero and not a murderous traitor, but he is still an asshole. NEVILLE.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no, you're kind of misreading Snape's character, I think. I mean, yes, he does reveal himself to have been on the side of the angels, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't an asshole when he was an asshole before. None of those things went away. He was still pretty much an abusive bully and an awful, awful, awful fucking teacher.

Yeah. Seriously. You're full of shit if you see Snape as an heroic figure. He was still an abusive bully especially in the earlier books, and none of that had anything to do with his ultimate heroic qualities, he was just an abusive bully. I really can't see how you can criticize James and still mount any defense of Snape.

[(Anonymous)]

So you say Harry is full of shit because he names his kid after him for respect and as a memory.

But I agree on the confusion of the fandom thinking Snape is a hero since still after all he had done to Harry in the school years were suddenly wiped away. It doesn't take his jealous behaviour away. Harry should've still got emotional scars but no, I think he forgot them too.

[(Anonymous)]

He didn't forget the scars, he let bygones be bygones considering the man's dead, and saved his life a couple times. It says more about him than it does about Snape that Harry wanted to honour him.

[(Anonymous)]

So you say Harry is full of shit because he names his kid after him for respect and as a memory.

Well, I definitely wouldn't have done it. But de mortuis nil nisi bonum, I guess.

I suppose the moral judgment I offered was overly simplistic, because he did have heroic qualities, and I can see someone finding it appropriate to honor him for those. What doesn't make any fucking sense is to pretend that his heroic status is uncomplicated. It is complicated as shit. And ignoring that is nonsense.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never yet found anyone who could give me a cogent account of what Snape actually did that was heroic.

There's lots of talk, but Dumbledore's masterplan is so complex, and DH is so full of random Dei Ex that I can't work out wtf Snape actually did that was of much use to anybody that couldn't have been managed in a much simpler way and that was driven by any qualities we'd typically regard as heroic.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll tell you the one thing he did that made him heroic - he got to be Alan Rickman. The whole game changed from that point onwards.

[(Anonymous)]

idk, I think that acting as a double agent within a cult of murderous evil wizards who would gleefully torture him to death if they discovered he was betraying them, to pass along information to the good guys about said evil cult's plans, is pretty heroic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but that's kinda negated by the *joining the damn genocidal group in the first place*!

Also, he doesn't really quit cuz he realized that they're ideologically wrong and immoral - he quits for Lily. Which is fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people have a hard time empathizing with the suffering of others in the abstract, and it only becomes "real" to them when it touches someone in their own lives. That speaks to a fairly rudimentary level of moral reasoning, but to be perfectly honest, it's a level that very many people never make it past. Often, though, when that suffering does touch someone they care about, they realize that the harmful thing actually IS a universal moral wrong -- they just couldn't see it until they were served up a personally-relevant object lesson. So I'm not sure it's fair to characterize his motives as "quitting for Lily," even though what happened to her was the catalyst. (It's been more than five years since I read the books, though, so if there was a specific line or passage you're thinking of that says otherwise, I could be mistaken.)

[(Anonymous)]

Except there's no real indication of him finding the Death Eaters' morality to be wrong, so much as him mostly wanting to bring down Voldemort, arguably out of revenge. The closest is when he snaps at Phineas Nigellus not to use the word Mudblood, and even that can be chalked down as it being the word that lost him Lily.

[(Anonymous)]

This. There's no indication he did anything 'good' for any reason other than Lily and even that was a fucked up selfish sort of love as he still treated her son like shit.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that love for other human beings can redeem us even under extreme circumstances. That isn't fucked up at all.

[thezmage]

No, Snape is still an asshole. He's the one who abused his position being in charge of small children to bully them just to make him feel better.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao a hero. please. you're killing me.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape was both a hero and a jerk. That was one of things I liked about JKR's writing. Not all the good guys were nice - some of them were real jerks. James as a teenager (we don't know what he was like as an adult), Sirius as both a teenager and an adult and Snape as both a teenager and adult.

I don't remember the exact quote, but in the early chapters of OOTP Ron - speaking of Snape say something to the effect of "He might be on our side - but he is still a prat." One of the best descriptions of Snape I saw in the books.

[(Anonymous)]

This was my biggest argument for "Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders" back when debating this was A Thing. Rowling was really obviously making a point about being good versus being nice with him.