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⌈ Secret Post #2412 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Read the reply I wrote to kaijinscendre. My last paragraph wasn't clear. It was more a problem with the writers -- not Dean. I was just listing all the times Dean had negative confrontations with gay men, and I was displeased that the writers have never had a particularly positive one.

Also, I don't really understand what you're arguing here? I flat-out said in my post that I like Dean, but he has some misogynistic and homophobic tendencies. Dean has some very admirable qualities. I never said he didn't. I just don't like these particular aspects of his character.

Like I said I don't like him saying homophobic and sexist things, and you're saying you also don't like him saying homophobic and sexist things, so I feel like we're in agreement there?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Mm, I agree with you that the problem is more with the writers really not getting how offensive the shit they're spewing is than with Dean himself, but I also don't agree with the other things you're saying.

I don't remember Dean having a negative reaction when the real estate agent thought he and Sam were a couple back in S1? When he found out a gay man died in his place back in Faith, he was just as horrified as he would have been if the guy was straight. He didn't have any issues with the gay Ghostfacer? He also hasn't had an "ew gross" reaction in the slightest when people claim that Cas is his boyfriend or is in love with him. And seriously, what about Aaron? How was his response homophobic when he was grinning about it and proudly telling Sam about it, then looked really disappointed to find out Aaron wasn't hitting on him after all?

It's just very weird and outright unfair to me to judge him as homophobic when the times he more openly reacted negatively were all times with pretty understanding surrounding context. It really makes a difference, you know?

The difference is that your argument comes across to me as Dean being actually homophobic and misogynistic and I really can't agree with that. As we both agree, the majority of it is with the writers themselves and there is no doubt that they are homophobic and misogynistic. However, Dean as a character isn't. Each one of "homophobic" reactions you mentioned is invalidated by context (and actually, with the vampire? Dean wasn't even homophobic - it's not homophobic to politely tell someone you're not interested!). He's also not demonstrated outright misogyny - the examples you gave really are more sexist than misogynistic. (And I'll absolutely agree that Dean can be sexist on occasion.)