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⌈ Secret Post #2414 ⌋

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[Akumu-chan / My Little Nightmare]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation/Deanna Troi]

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[The Borgias]

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[Kaiba Seto and Jounouchi Katsuya from Yu-gi-oh!]

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[Spring Breakers]

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[Murder Rooms]

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[Twin Peaks]

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[Mass Effect]

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[Despicable Me 2]

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[Ice Age]

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[Arrested Development]

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[Super Junior]

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[Halloween]

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Being a former "nonconformist" (I know, right?), I'm a bit cynical towards them, because usually half the people who say they're going to boycott don't, and it doesn't really go anywhere because of that.

Sports actually help the economy, and while they're not my thing... couldn't you make the same argument for concerts? Art shows? Movies? One person's interest is another person's apathy.

But back to the Olympics issue...what we should do is encourage our nation to demand protection of their own. It's not perfect, it doesn't help people in Russia but everyone shouldn't have to be scared. It breaks my heart to think of who won't play or who won't be able to invite loved ones. But boycotting the Olympics won't accomplish that, nor will boycotting all sports.

SA

*Our nations. Sorry about that. The nations involved with the Olympics. Not the nation of F!S. ;)

What makes you think sports help the economy? Sports tends to be a huge beneficiary of corporate welfare, plus (see the article I linked earlier) the licensing cost of events gets passed on to everyone who gets cable TV whether or not they like sports.

DA I read all of your comments and don't see any links.

It was directly above the comment I was responding to. Here you go again. TW repeats & criticises a bad rape comparison.

That's an almost nonsensical way of framing the question, though.

The first thing that you have to take into consideration here is that lots and lots of people really, really like sports, and are very willing to pay tons of money. That's the fundamental factor here. The popularity and economic structure of sports is not something that is entirely imposed from outside; on some level, it's the result of the choices and preferences of consumers. The reason, for instance, that sports TV stations are able to demand exorbitant rates for bundling their stations in is because there's tons of sports fans who would demand to be able to see games, and stations know that they need to be able to offer those stations. In other words, it's because there's enormous demand for the product (of course, this may be changing shortly, and TV providers may be reevaluating how willing they are to make that tradeoff).

Of course, sports have also been beneficiaries of corporate welfare, among other things - things like extortionate stadium deals, government-protected monopoly, etc - and I don't support those things at all. If I had my way, every professional sports team in the world would be run like the Green Bay Packers - owned by a community-based fan trust. But even so, at the end of the day, the economic basis for sport is the millions of people who support sports teams and like watching sports. The economics of sports might change if teams had to build their own stadiums, but I am willing to bet that they would not disappear entirely, because sports teams are still massively profitable entities even without that support (which is part of what makes it so objectionable).

So, yeah, at the end of the day, these things are based on the fact that people really like sports. Do you really think it's morally objectionable for them to like sports? Because if it's not, it seems kind of bizarre for me to talk about whether or not sports "helps" the economy - it's something that exists because people want it to, and that's okay.

I was responding to anon's comment claiming that sports help the economy. If you think it's a bizarre topic I suggest you reply to them, not me. But sports teams are not universally profitable, and they benefit hugely on the downside from government support and other subsidies - they're rarely allowed to carry their own losses.

But yeah, sports would be a lot less messed up and a lot less open to criticism without the subsidies - from governments, from cable bundling, or from universities. Then we'd get to find out how many of them are really profitable or even solvent.

Okay cool.

I think it depends hugely on which sport. But I think sports in general would still survive, it would just look different - ranging from shrinking dramatically in terms of resources in NCAA football, to not changing much at all in the case of the NBA. In something like MLB or NFL, the changes would mostly be somewhat smaller contracts, especially at the top end.

Like I said above, I think it's a matter of reform, not of getting rid of the thing entirely.

I think the problem isn't that they wouldn't be profitable or capable of solvency; it's that subsidies have allowed for the inflation of costs, particularly those surrounding player and coach salaries. I think said salaries would see a huge reduction if subsidies were eliminated. And I personally would welcome said reduction.

But that article is just about how much American consumers give to sports leagues via advertising if they have and use certain sports channels on cable/satellite. Of course it phrases it as the leagues getting every possible cent from each subscriber, so it's grossly overinflated.

It says nothing about the impact on the local, regional, and national economies of the places where sporting events take place.

Do you want me to dig up more information on sports subsidies, stadium deals, university sports budgets, etc, for you, or would you rather google that yourself?

You should dig them up for yourself because clearly you have limited knowledge of how major sports events impact economies. Hint: any country hosting either the summer or winter olympics takes in more money during the olympics than they pay out preparing for them.

... at the expense of (usually lower-income) people living in the neighborhoods that get razed to make room for Olympics complexes.

That's funny, according to this article most Olypmic host cities lose money on the deal. Oh, and this article. And this one.

One event does not make the entire world of sports a money pit.

Then let's stop throwing public money into it and see what happens.

Derailing a bit, but the way money has injected itself in sports is really annoying. In football (or soccer, however you want to call it), it's all about multi-million deals to get so and so, and professional team sports are starting to be "whoever has the most money wins because they can pay outrageous amounts of money for athletes". There's a huge gap between team sports played by kids in the playground and professional team sports, and it's only getting huger with each passing year.

Rugby has started to be a bit hit by this but so far, not too much. *clutches rugby*

There is an element of art and music in the Olympics. Groups and artists from attending countries can present their work, but it's mostly a way to promote the culture of the host city/country. I was a member of a choir featured in an Arts Olympics concert, once upon a time. I had read about arts presentations in the Olympics from the '70s (an article about a local woman who'd won gold in sculpting, I think), but had no idea they were still part of the Olympics until we were recruited for the performance.

Unfortunately, like you said, "one person's interest is another person's apathy," so they're never advertised or discussed in the mass media surrounding the games, let alone broadcasted.

I like to think artists would be more open to protesting through their presentations. But since no-one hears about them, let alone in the context of DA GAMES, it a) wouldn't do much good and b) might be riskier for them without the media attention like athletes would receive if prosecuted for their views. They could be dragged away or beaten to death without anyone the wiser, yet still be Olympic representatives.

Edited (Spelling and I don't get along...) 2013-08-13 00:15 (UTC)

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