[ SECRET POST #2414 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2414 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Akumu-chan / My Little Nightmare]


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03.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation/Deanna Troi]


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04.
[The Borgias]


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05.
[Kaiba Seto and Jounouchi Katsuya from Yu-gi-oh!]


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06.
[Spring Breakers]


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07.
[Murder Rooms]


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08.
[Twin Peaks]


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09.
[Mass Effect]


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10.
[Despicable Me 2]


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11.
[Ice Age]


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12.
[Arrested Development]


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13.
[Super Junior]


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14.
[Halloween]


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Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[miarrow]

Synthesis is the creepiest ending to me. It's supposed to be the best? I... that's forcing a change throughout the galaxy without anyone consent it's horrifying. (Not to mention the logistics of such a feat.)

[elaminator]

I'm pretty sure Synthesis is supposed to be the best ending since it takes the most EMS to achieve. Everything about it creeps me out. I DO want EDI and the Geth to live, but none of the ending were satisfactory imo. I don't care how unrealistic it would've been, I think EDI and the Geth surviving the destroy ending should've been possible.

Still, I've made my peace with it. Mostly.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to all of the above. WHY Synthesis requires the most EMS, I have no idea. I'll take Control over that any day, even if that had its own creep factor. We can't win with any of these endings, sadly.

[elaminator]

We can't win with any of these endings, sadly.

Pretty much. They all have their downfalls, which doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a bad thing; not all endings need to be perfect. Still...the endings will always be a clusterfuck of wrong to me.

[miarrow]

I still think Indoctrination theory would have been the greatest, so I'm really upset they didn't go that route. Like I was fine with Shepard having to go out in a heroic way (though I agree with some of the arguments made for letting him/her live), but wiping out the synthetic life and pretty much everyone... agh.

I'm still not over some of the stuff during the game. Like it made it impossible to really think of doing Renegade choices because they went from pragmatic humanist to cutthroat idiot.

[elaminator]

The Indoctrination theory makes more sense to me than anything we got. (And is way more pleasant.) And imo Shepard should ALWAYS have a chance of survival if not for any other reason than BioWare games are supposed to be about choice. (Granted we did get choices, they were just crap ones.) All the endings are pretty damn harrowing, but either BioWare wanted it that way or didn't see the underlying issues with them.

[(Anonymous)]

I just imagine the Marauder Shields comic is the real ending now and it makes me passably happy.

[diet_poison]

I guess Synthesis was supposed to be like, a big grand statement about the ideal pinnacle of life - it was supposed to be the ultimate end. idk.

I agree with you 110% about an alternate Destroy. I didn't feel any great desire to spare the Reapers. If it had *just* destroyed Reapers without killing all those other people (which...it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do) it would have been amazing.

[elaminator]

I guess Synthesis was supposed to be like, a big grand statement about the ideal pinnacle of life - it was supposed to be the ultimate end.

Yea, I think that's what they were going for. The message didn't really reach me though...it just ended up feeling disturbing and horror movie esc. Different strokes and all that but it didn't work for me.

I didn't feel any great desire to spare the Reapers.

Me either, what with the whole 'we're killing you so you won't kill yourselves' shit. (Like seriously?) And we're supposed to trust that Shepard will have the ~strength of will~ (or whatever, idek) to control them indefinitely or inherently change every living being in the galaxy instead of destroying them? Whaaaaaaat?

[diet_poison]

Yeah, different strokes...very, VERY true in this fandom, heh.

Totally agreed about Control. Part of why I didn't like it is that it felt...nebulous. How do we know Shepard is actually going to be able to control them? And how do we know he/she won't become corrupted by all that power? As much as I believe in Shepard's goodness and self-sacrifice (at least, paragon!Shepard) that kind of power can corrupt anybody.

[elaminator]

Yeaaaa, Shepard warned The Illusive Man about controlling something that large - basically said, "You have to be crazy and arrogant to think that's possible", which is why I don't see Shepard (at least, again, paragon!Shepard) going with it. Even if Shepard is ~pure of heart~ I don't believe that level of control would allow her/him to stay 100% themselves. I just can't see it not going wrong somehow.

Which is basically how I feel about synthesis, too.

Urg, Mass Effect endings.

[diet_poison]

I think Control has a much higher possibility of something going wrong; maybe that's why it didn't sit well with me compared to Synthesis.

I honestly think the main thing I dislike about Synthesis is it feels too much like a deus ex and a ~perfect happy ending~. Also that it's just really hard to conceive how it could possibly work. It's too bad there wasn't a way to make Destroy work better...

[diet_poison]

It's like someone said above with puppy-kicking in DA2 (I haven't played DA2, but it's kind of the same thing - asking what kind of bread you want on your shit sandwich). Control is creepy because...well, you're mind-controlling hundreds of things. Destroy is horrible because it's basically genocide.

You can't win. Synthesis was the best ending, even if it wasn't ideal, in my opinion. I can see why it creeps some people out, though.

[miarrow]

I thought Control you're controlling the reapers? I mean, still frightening (tbh they're all kind of terrible).

I actually like the eff-you ending, because it ties back to the beacon Liara made, even though you know it wipes out the galaxy.

[diet_poison]

Yes, that is Control. It creeps me out more than Synthesis. To each their own, I guess.

I think the Fuck You ending was good in its own way - very tragic and emotional, with that beacon of hope at the end - but definitely not as good as the others, because it feels like a cop-out. It feels like Shepard was unable to make a hard decision and as a result everybody dies instead of just a few people. And when you think about it? in the next cycle, someone's just going to be faced with the same set of choices. It's just prolonging the inevitable.

[(Anonymous)]

Genocide of artificial intelligence? I'd take that over essentially forcing everything organic and non-organic into becoming "one."

"Hey Banshee, you remember being an Asari right? How many folks you kill as a Banshee? Fun tims yeah? Ah the good ol' days of war!" or "Hey Husk! 'sup man! Remember how you got turned into a husk and then killed that farmer and his family? What was that like?" or "Hey buddy Quarian, you never did like Geth unless it died, so how do you like sharing more than just your existence with it/them?"

I chose Synthesis the first time through because of my affection for Legion, but on every subsequent play through, it's always Destroy because in the end, an AI is merely a tool to be used. It's easier to recreate such a tool than it is to explain to future generations why The Shepard chose to become a Reaper or make everyone half-n-half.

But you, and pretty much everyone else, are right. You can't win in that situation.

[diet_poison]

Yes, genocide. Artificial intelligence = still living and sapient. And I think it would be hard to explain to future generations why Shepard chose to commit such genocide when it wasn't necessary.

I'm not sure where the whole banshees-and-husks thing came in, unless I'm forgetting something from canon (entirely possible). I just sort of assumed they all died...

[(Anonymous)]

SA

From my understanding, and this is understanding from over a year and a half ago, ALL things are synthesized. Reapers, all organic species, all non-organics become synthesized and thus Utopia is achieved. If that is true, would that then mean Reaper creations are synthesized and regain true conscience? If so, talk about a mind fuck, again. That's where I was going with that bit.

[elaminator]

I'm not absolutely sure either but I thought banshees and husks did gain conscienceness? I thought their eyes lit up like everyone else's (signifying the change) and that they were working along with everyone else to rebuild? (Including the reapers, which will never not rub me the wrong way.)

Maybe I misinterpreted the ending...

[cbrachyrhynchos]

EC in my opinion screwed up a lot of things. "Yeah, that entire first game where we revealed that the Citadel and relays were Reaper honeypots? We didn't really mean it. And all that stuff in the second and third game about how reaper technology is dangerously seductive? We didn't mean that either. Athyta's and Javik's speeches about Asari scientists being capable of doing their own thing but limited by politics? We didn't mean that. The implications that the Reapers started the Rachnii wars, possibly influenced the Krogan rebellion, and encouraged a deeply weird taboo about understanding the Citadel? We didn't mean that.

"The codex entries that galactic-wide communications used independently engineered relay systems? We didn't mean that. And Traynor's technobabble about FTL communication systems? We certainly didn't mean that.

"So here you go. A reaper Relay in every star system and a pet husk for a butler in every living room. Just slap a new coat of paint on the Citadel and you'll be right back to where you started again."

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Seriously, the Citadel city government has to be about the worst urban planners in galactic history. "Oh yeah, we're just going to let these semi-sentient spider people incrementally rearrange our entire residential and industrial infrastructure, and pass a law to prevent anyone from figuring out what they're really up to. Brilliant!"

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like a politician's thinking with a side of PETA.

[diet_poison]

Yeah. I don't like that part...I wish the reapers could be left out of the picture entirely, without destroying a whole bunch of other people. =/

[saku]

yeah i think it's weird that synthesis requires the highest ems - like i get why, but at the same time i see it as a neutral ending rather than the best one, despite the most amount of effort going into "unlocking" it. throughout the rest of the trilogy, the neutralish decision were always available, and the reputation-related ones were sometimes unavailable, so it seems a little backwards.