[ SECRET POST #2417 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2417 ⌋

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Comments

[poisonenvy]

I've seen this happen in real life (I guess a friend of mine saw a tomboyey looking girl with her mother, who was trying to buy her all these girly things, and my friend was like "If your daughter's actually a boy, let him be!") and all I could think of was "Hey, this was my exact same situation, and I'm cis. Uhm... how about we don't make assumptions about how people identify, because tomgirls/girlish boys (...is there a male equivalent to tomboy?) do exist."

But it was literally my only friend who I've ever seen doing this, so it's not really enough to get me bent out of shape either way.

[chardmonster]

Does your friend talk to many human beings in person that aren't you?

[(Anonymous)]

My friends only talk to me.

[kamino_neko]

is there a male equivalent to tomboy?

Not really, no. Aside from the pragmatic 'feminine boy' all the terms for femmey straight guys tend to be insulting. (Also, sexist and/or transphobic, to boot.)

[poisonenvy]

That's what I thought. =( Sadness.

[(Anonymous)]

femmey straight guys, or just femmey guys? Tomboy can totally refer to queer women too, you know, and often is used by us.

[kamino_neko]

Femmey straight guys - my point with that phrasing was that the mostly non-insulting terms carry the connotation of queerness on top of femininity. (I didn't state it that way at first, since it really ends up sounding to me like I'm saying implying queerness is insulting.) Which, as you say, is not an implication that 'tomboy' carries.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I see what you mean. I think girls with some boyish interests are considered cute, as long as they grow out of them as sexually-available-to-men adults, or conform to the idea of a adult waifish-scrapper-but-ultimately-acquiescing like some men like from their "tomboys". However, tomboy is used sometimes in a sniggery way, like, "she's a lesbian", in my experiences as someone who is super-sensitive to these things.

Boys/men of any age with so-called-feminine-traits are thought of as practically gay or will become gay, it's true. The difference is cos of a bunch of ideas about gender roles. Quelle horreur says the world that I dress my baby son in pink sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, "tom" or "tomboy" has been taken and used by some non-English speaking cultures to mean "lesbian".

[(Anonymous)]

Tom was a Victorian English term for lesbian.