[ SECRET POST #2419 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2419 ⌋

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Notes:

Way early because taking dog to the vet. :c

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Comments

[darkmanifest]

I'm not sure I would call having competent female characters present at all implicitly feminist. There's a lot of work out there that feature a handful of amazing women, who are still part of a deeply sexist narrative. I do think Gaiman is a decent storyteller, with female characters I really like. He's just not feminist, IMO - but he never presented himself as such, to my knowledge, and it would be unfair to expect it of him just because he's not some drooling bigot.

Anansi Boys had Rose and her mother talking to each other about things other than Charlie and Spider sometimes, I think.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I remembered Rosie and her mum had a relationship, but I wasn't sure if they talked on the page about anything besides Charlie. (Or, for that matter,if her mom gets a name besides Mrs. RosiesLastName.) If I were really ambitious I'd go get the book and check, but...

And I didn't mean to say he was implicitly feminist by saying he wasn't explicitly feminist. He's in the middle ground, with some works that are more feminist than others. I think we basically agree on this point.

[darkmanifest]

Oh, okay, my apologies, we do agree there. And nope, the mom definitely doesn't get a first name, but they talked about trying to escape and other stuff when they were kidnapped by Charlie's boss (I really liked that part, they worked together and rescued themselves with plain common sense...it's moments like that that keep me reading Gaiman's stuff despite the flaws).

Thank youu

[applemagpie]

For actually adding something insightful and intelligent to this whole 'is Neil Gaiman sexist' discussion

Re: Thank youu

[nyxelestia]

I think one problem is if a male writer creates a few good female characters or comments on it (much like Whedon or del Toro), then they get set-up as some kind of feminist amongst bigots in media, when reality is much closer to, they aren't sexists in an industry that is very sexist. Of course, not sexist =/= feminist, so when these men inevitably fall short of feminists' expectations, they get branded as sexists, often by people who were bitter and resentful beforehand about all the brouhaha surrounding what they always thought of as 'not that extraordinary, why are you people so obsessed over this?'.