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Re: Peter, I'm with you.

I spend a lot of my free time thinking about Peter Hale (too much honestly) and from his perspective, I imagine he thinks Scott's pack is his pack.

He bit Scott, the True Alpha

His revenge scheme is what drew Chris & co. and Kate to Beacon Hills in the first place (or you know, the nth place considering Kate, Gerard, and Chris had all been there before). Without his revenge scheme, Allison wouldn't have moved there.

By offering Stiles the bite and having Stiles reject it, he's helped Stiles establish that he doesn't actually WANT to be a werewolf, allowing him to handle things like mountain ash and it's pretty clear to me at least that Stiles is on a path to becoming the emissary for Scott's pack.

Ymmv on this, but I'm of the opinion that Lydia wouldn't be a Banshee if Peter hadn't bitten her, and her being a Banshee makes her an irreplaceable asset to the pack. Especially since Peter helped establish in the finale that if she worked at it, she'd be able to help prevent death before it happened what with her "I feel like I'm standing in a graveyard" impression.

Finally, Peter goads Derek into slashing his throat, and upon doing so Derek becomes Alpha. As such, he has to start building his own pack, much like Peter was trying to do when he bit Scott. Ergo, Isaac was reborn as a werewolf.

...Like I said, I spend too much time in Peter Hale's headspace, but I definitely think from his perspective that he feels he's responsible for all of Scott's pack and feels he should rightfully be Alpha.

Then again it depends on how far back that "Always" extends. For all we know, he spent his entire life resenting Talia for being the first in line for Alpha, feeling that it should have been his birthright. I've even seen suggestions that he tipped the scales in urging Kate to set the Hale fire and that it was just a mistake that he ended up caught in the crossfire. That, or Kate betraying him by doing it while she knew he was there. I don't know how I feel about that theory, but I certainly wouldn't put that past Peter.

I've even seen suggestions that he tipped the scales in urging Kate to set the Hale fire and that it was just a mistake that he ended up caught in the crossfire.

I've never heard that particular theory before and I'm not sure I like it, but I wouldn't put anything past Peter. I question everything that comes out of that mans mouth, and think that anyone who doesn't is being dangerously naive. lol. I guess we were supposed to be surprised that he's been ~plotting~ behind Derek's back this season, but let's be honest: everyone suspected.

And you raise some valid points; I can definitely see where you're coming from and can imagine Peter coming to the same conclusion. He's had a hand in most everything that's happened so far, even if sometimes a bit inadvertently, and he's certainly got a superiority complex so it fits. I'm not sure if it extends back to Talia, but as of now he certainly seems to believe he deserves to be Alpha and nothing will stop him from taking it back.

I question everything that comes out of that mans mouth, and think that anyone who doesn't is being dangerously naive.

Call me dangerously naive. I don't trust him at all, but I did actually believe him in season 2 when he said he didn't want to be Alpha again. Mostly because I feel like 1.) he failed the first time, 2.) he isn't particularly suited to the job. An alpha should be a people person, and Peter is only out for himself. How the hell he expects to rule an entire pack with a job that should require caring about the well being of your betas, I've no idea, and 3.) I think there are about a million different directions they could have taken the character that would have been incredibly more interesting.

The only way I'm going to be happy with his ploy for Alpha is if he does it underhandedly. I have to believe that even Peter realizes that trying to kill Scott is a dumb move that would not work in his favor. Especially since this season finally expounded upon the "you can fall to one or rise to another" quote from 2x09. He wouldn't necessarily HAVE to kill Scott to take it. Personally, I'd like to see him trying to manipulate Scott's pack away from him. It'd be especially interesting if it tied into the darkness around Scott's, Stiles', and Allison's hearts.

One of the reasons I love Peter so much is that he's [one of] the most honest characters on the show, which is funny considering his role. He has absolutely no shame about any of the horrific things he's done. He has no qualms over his total lack of morality.

Didn't mean that as an insult btw! Sorry if it came out that way. :(

But yea, idk...I guess I see him a bit differently. I feel like Peter has just been biding his time, waiting until the perfect moment to make his move. He definitely isn't suited for being an alpha (for reasons you've already explained), but I don't think that stops him from wanting the power and the control all the same. Not sure if anything will come of it, but he's got something up his sleeve.

And I do agree that he's usually honest about his actions (still not sure if we're supposed to believe that the only thing Peter lied about in that Paige story was suggesting Derek turn her), but I can't help thinking that there are still things he's holding close to his chest, not necessarily outright lying about, but not mentioning. He IS the underhanded type, so I can see that. There's no way he isn't an experienced liar. He might not do it all the time (mostly because, like you said, he's shameless), but when it suits him...sure.

I didn't take it as an insult, don't worry. I agree with you. Peter Hale is a shady motherfucker. He's manipulative and he only cares about himself. Why Derek kept him around this season...Well actually I imagine Derek kept him around because another reason I love Peter so much is that he's useful. He knows so much more than Derek about the trips and pitfalls of lycanthropy. Whether or not he's willing to share that knowledge depends on the day and his mood and whether or not there's anything in it for him, but he has it to share if he so chooses.

Oh he definitely wants the power associated with the alpha title. I've always thought of him as someone who wants all of the power with none of the responsibilities. Then again, maybe not. As awful as him trying to manipulate Scott into killing was, the implication was that he wanted Scott to do it to forge a bond and make their pack stronger? At least that's what I got out of it with Derek telling him that "The Alpha" wanted Scott to kill with him.

I had been waiting for Peter to pull something like this, I was just desperately hoping it would be something different. Where we left off in the finale seems like a huge overhaul leading to a rehash of season 1. Derek & sister have left Beacon Hills, and since AKane's not coming back, Derek will most likely be returning alone. Scott is going to have to confront the challenges associated with being a True Alpha, and Peter's gonna be skulking around in the background, trying to fuck things up for everybody. Yep. Sounds a lot like season 1 to me.

The Paige storyline...I will never understand what went through Jeff Davis' head and why he thought making that period of Derek's life about anyone other than Kate was a good idea. I enjoyed the episode, but it fucks so many things over. A proper flashback episode would've shown Derek and Kate and the house fire. I still can't believe so much of what Peter said was true. I was infatuated with the theory that the Paige thing actually did happen, but to Peter and that he used Derek as the focal character because...well who knows why Peter does anything he does? I could definitely see him having left out other important details, but I don't know. I love Peter and so much of 3A has jossed my headcanons for him. I can accept that he's always been manipulative, but I've always agreed with his "I'm not a TOTAL psychopath" because I saw his actions in season one as revenge. That he was probably a pretty normal, significantly more well adjusted guy before the fire.

If there's one question I have in the wake of the Paige debacle, it's "What was in it for Peter?" He talks about how Ennis had lost a pack member, and Derek was head over heels in love with Paige, so it only made sense to have Ennis turn Paige and that this would somehow gain both parties favor from Talia and back then everybody wanted to be in Talia's good graces or whatever. Yeah...what was in that deal for him? Because given his reactions both in the flashback and out, I think he genuinely expected Paige to live and that that was the result he wanted. The question is why.

Are you the OP of the thread, btw? You should post more about Teen Wolf! I'm new to the fandom and love hearing people rattle on about their head-canons and feelings about the characters.

Well actually I imagine Derek kept him around because another reason I love Peter so much is that he's useful. He knows so much more than Derek about the trips and pitfalls of lycanthropy. Whether or not he's willing to share that knowledge depends on the day and his mood and whether or not there's anything in it for him, but he has it to share if he so chooses.

Agreed. I do understand this on some level (and even though Peter is dangerous and up to no good, I suppose Derek might have thought it was best to keep Peter close so he could keep an eye on him as well), but it still baffles me that everyone is just going about their business with Peter in the background. It cracks me up more than it should tbh, but I'm with you -- IDK how to take this whole revert to season one. Just hope it doesn't feel like more of the same, and they do something exciting and fresh with it along with the new antagonists.

Because Jeff David can't stop giving Derek the absolute worst life ever? Like Kate wasn't bad enough, nope, Kate had to come after that whole mess. I have heard the 'maybe the story was actually about Peter' thing before and while I think it's an interesting theory, I feel like Paige will never be mentioned again. I don't trust the writers enough to come up with something that complex and follow through with it. And no one but Peter knows why Peter does anything, this is true. (For what it's worth, I think he was probably 'pretty' normal before the fire. Probably still selfish and manipulative, but I can see him being much less ill intentioned.)

That's a good question. There probably is more to the story, but...god knows what it is or when or if we'll get the rest of it. Peter seems like the type to have a reason for everything.

I am not the OP of the thread. I haven't read general comments in years because I always forget that they're on the second page now. That said, I could talk about Teen Wolf for days, so. I just have so many thoughts and so many questions (most of them are about Peter these days, but also questions like...money in that universe and other characters interacting with Peter. I'm so bitter we didn't get to see Peter interact with Deaton in 3A because I'm convinced Deaton knew Peter was the Alpha in season one all along. I'm at the point where I'm worried they'll never address those questions from season one again. Questions like: 'If Deaton wasn't the alpha, why did his heartbeat indicate he was lying when Derek confronted him?' or 'What did Deaton mean when he said "not easily" in response to Scott and Stiles asking him how he managed to get out of Derek's trunk?'

My personal headcanon is that Deaton knew all along (or at the very least, had a pretty good idea, that Peter was the Alpha because he was the Hale family emissary. I think Peter probably untied Alan and let him go while Scott & Stiles were distracted by Derek's stab wounds. It's not like Peter hasn't used outside help before (Nurse Jennifer).

Given that these events took place in episodes 6 & 7 and have yet to be mentioned again, I wouldn't be surprised if you were right and that they never did mention Paige again.

Anyway, like I said, I could talk about Teen Wolf for days on end, and like you, I love hearing people's headcanons and thoughts about the characters and just the show in general, so please feel free to share with me any thoughts you have.

Boy, you really do have questions. (Which isn't a bad thing! Well, it can be if they never get answered.

Re: money, I do wonder how much money Derek inherited and how Cora has been getting along all this time. I still don't see how those two didn't know of the others fate, but Jeff doesn't seem too concerned about that.

Hmm, as for Deaton knowing about Peter, it sounds possible (especially when you factor in his history with the Hale family), and I had forgot about him lying to Derek. It'll be interesting to see if they bring that up, but again...I have my doubts. The "not easily" comment might have just been a reference to how resourceful Deaton is? We didn't know he was a emissary back then, right? Maybe he has experience with that sort of thing. Maybe that was foreshadowing. (Though Peter untying him makes more sense, I think. Unless Deaton had a knife on him somewhere and managed to cut through the ropes or something. Which...seems far fetched, but this is Teen Wolf, so...)

I love this show, but there are a lot of issues I have with it. The lack of answers and blatant glossing over of issues get to me sometimes, but I still love it. I don't think I'll stop watching anytime soon. I'm addicted now.

Don't be afraid to make a thread in general comments if you ever feel like discussing the show! If I see it, I'll most likely be there.

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