[ SECRET POST #2426 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2426 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 080 secrets from Secret Submission Post #347.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I think it's the vehemence of the hate that makes me think it, too. It's something everyone can be nasty about while patting themselves on the back about how awesome they are for being nasty. It's been over a decade, when can people just get over it already?

[(Anonymous)]

not if it means giving money to someone who doesn't deserve it

i think everyone should watch the movie

just torrent it

[(Anonymous)]

I hate when people make this argument.

Look. When someone's an asshole to people, and does absolutely nothing to indicate that they have stopped being an asshole (the fact that she initially said she had a lot of input on this film and, now that it's not doing so well, is backtracking and claiming that she had no input at all is a pretty good indicator that she hasn't changed), then there is absolutely nothing wrong with people saying "fuck you" to that person.

It wasn't just that she plagiarized; it was that she took advantage of people and even extorted money from them. If you were one of those folks, then would you really say to yourself, "aw hell, it's been ten years; I'll go watch her movie and give her some more of my money?"

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. But not being personally acquainted with any of those people, I also don't feel morally obliged to continue hating someone on their behalf.

It just seems... unnecessarily poisonous to continue this group hate-on for decades when it isn't accomplishing anything constructive. I'm not sure it's even accomplishing anything destructive.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah cause people need to tailor how, why, and for how long they dislike people to your standards.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it necessarily has to accomplish anything. You can decide not to support someone because, by all accounts, she's a dick, and not care overly much whether that has some overarching impact or not.

When it comes to talking about what is "poisonous," I think it's worth making the point that hatred can be detrimental to the hater. But I think that it's not necessary to hate someone in order to choose not to support him or her. I would add that, if a person's actions are themselves rather poisonous, then it's a poor defense to claim that the position of his or her detractors is poisonous.

Additionally, I would wonder that you need to personally know one of those who've been wronged in order for you to withdraw your support from a person. I can understand wanting to make up your own mind about a person's character, but at what point does that standard become untenable?

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Fair enough. I acknowledge the validity of your argument for not supporting Cassandra Clare. I still suspect that a lot of the people hating her are mostly hating her for the group hate-on, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Clarie, get off fandom_secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're underestimating how many of us did know her personally and are keeping the flames of hate alight with our actual memories of her snubbing people at cons and other bad behavior. There are lots of other wanky BNFs I've forgotten about because I never witnessed their awfulness myself.

Besides, CC hasn't changed. She's been an asshole online in recent years, and little baby fans should be warned away from her toxic unpleasantness. That's a piece of good fandom's collective hateboner for her can accomplish.

[(Anonymous)]

She's still writing and her movie JUST came out. It's not like this is ancient history, and even if it was, so what? People can get upset about things that happened a long time ago, even if you think they ought to be over it.

[(Anonymous)]

From above: "It's something everyone can be nasty about while patting themselves on the back about how awesome they are for being nasty."

This is totally true, whether people want to admit it or not. I am FULLY AWARE that there are a million legitimate reasons to hate CC. But people regularly say they lose respect for people for NOT hating her, and also aggressively question how writers who DON'T have her reputation could possibly be friends with her. This is creepily excessive and is not something you can brush off by listing all her internet-wrongs, because it's putting hatred overflow onto the innocent people around her. This is not just hating her, it's putting a big radius around her and judging anyone who steps into it.

Adding to that, this opinion is ridiculously widespread. Someone makes a secret about judging their friends for liking CC, and the comments are all just hating CC. They don't address the content of the secret, it's just an excuse to hate on her again.

The few people who respond to the actual content of the secret, when there are comments to them, are just about CC again. Like people think you don't know enough about CC if you dare to suggest that people shouldn't lose respect for their friends over the media they like.

This secret doesn't need to be a secret, because fandom in general hates CC SO MUCH that apparently it's totally acceptable and not even noteworthy to dismiss your friends' taste if they don't hate her too.

[(Anonymous)]

posted this in the wrong spot, damn.