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I get why people got mad at Cassandra Clare to begin with, but at this point I suspect most people -- however they rationalize it -- are just hating her because everyone else is, not because they'd hate anyone who plagiarized, profited from plagiarism, and was generally bitchy and a BigNameDramaFactory ten years ago or whatever it was.

Agreed. I think it's the vehemence of the hate that makes me think it, too. It's something everyone can be nasty about while patting themselves on the back about how awesome they are for being nasty. It's been over a decade, when can people just get over it already?

not if it means giving money to someone who doesn't deserve it

i think everyone should watch the movie

just torrent it

I hate when people make this argument.

Look. When someone's an asshole to people, and does absolutely nothing to indicate that they have stopped being an asshole (the fact that she initially said she had a lot of input on this film and, now that it's not doing so well, is backtracking and claiming that she had no input at all is a pretty good indicator that she hasn't changed), then there is absolutely nothing wrong with people saying "fuck you" to that person.

It wasn't just that she plagiarized; it was that she took advantage of people and even extorted money from them. If you were one of those folks, then would you really say to yourself, "aw hell, it's been ten years; I'll go watch her movie and give her some more of my money?"

Nope. But not being personally acquainted with any of those people, I also don't feel morally obliged to continue hating someone on their behalf.

It just seems... unnecessarily poisonous to continue this group hate-on for decades when it isn't accomplishing anything constructive. I'm not sure it's even accomplishing anything destructive.

yeah cause people need to tailor how, why, and for how long they dislike people to your standards.

I don't think it necessarily has to accomplish anything. You can decide not to support someone because, by all accounts, she's a dick, and not care overly much whether that has some overarching impact or not.

When it comes to talking about what is "poisonous," I think it's worth making the point that hatred can be detrimental to the hater. But I think that it's not necessary to hate someone in order to choose not to support him or her. I would add that, if a person's actions are themselves rather poisonous, then it's a poor defense to claim that the position of his or her detractors is poisonous.

Additionally, I would wonder that you need to personally know one of those who've been wronged in order for you to withdraw your support from a person. I can understand wanting to make up your own mind about a person's character, but at what point does that standard become untenable?

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(Anonymous) - 2013-08-25 15:02 (UTC) - Expand

Clarie, get off fandom_secrets.

I think you're underestimating how many of us did know her personally and are keeping the flames of hate alight with our actual memories of her snubbing people at cons and other bad behavior. There are lots of other wanky BNFs I've forgotten about because I never witnessed their awfulness myself.

Besides, CC hasn't changed. She's been an asshole online in recent years, and little baby fans should be warned away from her toxic unpleasantness. That's a piece of good fandom's collective hateboner for her can accomplish.

She's still writing and her movie JUST came out. It's not like this is ancient history, and even if it was, so what? People can get upset about things that happened a long time ago, even if you think they ought to be over it.

From above: "It's something everyone can be nasty about while patting themselves on the back about how awesome they are for being nasty."

This is totally true, whether people want to admit it or not. I am FULLY AWARE that there are a million legitimate reasons to hate CC. But people regularly say they lose respect for people for NOT hating her, and also aggressively question how writers who DON'T have her reputation could possibly be friends with her. This is creepily excessive and is not something you can brush off by listing all her internet-wrongs, because it's putting hatred overflow onto the innocent people around her. This is not just hating her, it's putting a big radius around her and judging anyone who steps into it.

Adding to that, this opinion is ridiculously widespread. Someone makes a secret about judging their friends for liking CC, and the comments are all just hating CC. They don't address the content of the secret, it's just an excuse to hate on her again.

The few people who respond to the actual content of the secret, when there are comments to them, are just about CC again. Like people think you don't know enough about CC if you dare to suggest that people shouldn't lose respect for their friends over the media they like.

This secret doesn't need to be a secret, because fandom in general hates CC SO MUCH that apparently it's totally acceptable and not even noteworthy to dismiss your friends' taste if they don't hate her too.

posted this in the wrong spot, damn.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to find an odious human being odious. I mean, if it was just about the fanfiction part, people would rag on EL James a lot more. But CC had a lot more going on. She had spectacular circles of "friends" who would go to amazing lengths to hurt people or shame them into silence and quash bad publicity. And despite all the horrible things she did as a person and the way she used her fanbase, she went on to get successful in the realworld, on the backs of fandom.

Exhibit A: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/73559683.html

I mean, maybe some people? But a lot of people remember more than just the plagiarism (which honestly, maybe ought to be enough). Not only was there the plagiarism, but there was consistent and outright bullying of people, including trying to get a girl kicked out of her university as payback for God knows what. She's also shown no remorse and has continued to be an asshole to fans. So it's not just that she was an ass back in the day, but that she's really never apologized or done anything BUT profit from all her jackassery.

Well, one of the reasons that I think a lot of people hate her for is that she gives a bad name to fanfiction writers. People talk about her being a plagiarist and her books a rip-off of Harry Potter and the response is "Yeah, so? Isn't that what fanfiction is?" And the answer is no, because she didn't just take ideas and setting, she ripped of actual prose from other writers. All the witty saying and quotes that people loved in her fanfiction weren't hers. And then she turns into a big bully on the internet and never apologizes for anything. It makes good fans look bad but she gets money for it.

But wasn't the plagiarized stuff part of stories which later got yanked, and her published work is serial-numbers-rubbed-off different stories?

There's pieces of it in the Mortal Instruments. Jace has a lot of similarities to Draco from her Draco Trilogy.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-08-25 13:31 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-08-25 15:38 (UTC) - Expand

I don't hate her because everyone else does. I hate her because she's a bully, a liar, and a cheat, and rather than doom her, those traits have made her successful.

She represents everything that is wrong with humanity and with society. As far as I'm concerned, supporting her is tantamount to supporting the sociopaths who tanked the economy in the aughts, since she exhibits the exact same personality traits.

this

and apparently she keeps charming and befriending people who are actually not jerks somehow

it is very disheartening

It's because she did that she, and not only did she get away with it, she prospered, and now she's rich and famous. I mean, relatively speaking.

That's why people hate her.

This x100. There are so many talented and amazing fanfic writers (and original-fiction writers) out there who will never have the chances and success that CC has.

It makes me sad that such a heinous and horrible person like CC can bully and plagiarize her way into a successful career, while so many decent writers will remain unknowns because they don't know the sort of people CC knows.

no.

Nope. It's more the wish not to give money to a person who set out to deliberately ruin another person's life and never apologized for it. Plus, she's not a better writer than Collins or Meyer, and I never paid to see the movies made from their shitty books either.

look, people get mad at people for the weirdest reasons. Especially at celebrities. Especially in fandom. Be it the clothes they wear, their opinions on cheese steak, or what charities they do or do not support. There's people hating on Patrick Stewart because he supports an organisation that supports only female victims of domestic abuse.

Hate is irrational. It's hard to explain and completely pointless to question. Thee continued CC hate seems reasonable compared to some reasons why people hate on other people.

You do realize that the people she fucked over and who dealt with her shit then didn't suddenly poof out of existence, right?

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