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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-24 03:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #2426 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2426 ⌋

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[personal profile] truxillogical 2013-08-25 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, Disney Princess stories are basically Feminist Training Wheels.

They're a shared culture, a set of stories (and a specific interpretation of those stories) that most folks on the internet are familiar with, and that many people grew up with. And when you grow up with something as a child, you often accept it at face value. So when babby-feminists first start really thinking of Feminist Values In Media, one of the first things they latch onto is the Disney Princess Stories. And babby-feminists are often very angry, because let's face it, thinking about Feminist Representation In Media is enough to make anyone angry if they do it too long, and for babby-feminists, it's a new experience, a new realization, and it hasn't cooled yet. And there is so much to be angry about, and let's talk about Stockholm Syndrome and Snow White's forced domestic status, and the creepiness of Prince Charming, and OH MY GOSH I DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE THOUGHT THIS WAY!!!

And it can become an echo chamber.


It's just folks who are new to the rhetoric trying out their voices, nine times out of ten. Eventually, they settle down and decide that Pink Is Not The Devil, and that girls can like sparkly things and princesses, but that there are still problems, and that those should be discussed, especially problems in current representation, as opposed to something made when the 19th Amendment was a recent memory. It's still something to be aware of--shared social experience and all--but it's not something that needs to be referenced constantly.

But there's always new babby-feminists trying out those training wheels. So it's a thing.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-25 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
For sure. Also, watching little cousins or nieces start to display the effects of excessive princessing can be pretty distressing.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-25 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks, this is what I came here to say. It helps me when I see the same arguments over and over (whether I agree or not!) to just remember that this means someone probably just found feminism. And that's exciting! I shouldn't expect anyone to skip Feminism 101 just because I took that course several years before they did.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-08-25 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Baby's First Feminism is definitely part of it. But it doesn't explain established Tumblr accounts like feministdisney doing endless circlejerks about the same old topics. I think she ranted about the lack of POC in Brave for a solid month.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-29 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
+1
Good comment is good.