[ SECRET POST #2427 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2427 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But he has yet to suffer his big "fall from grace" the way Sam and Cas both have--a big fat moral failure with catastrophic consequences for everyone, where he really should have known better but went there anyway, despite multiple warnings and danger signs-

Well, technically, his Deal for Sam's life lead to Dean breaking the first seal to release Lucifer, setting the apocalypse in motion, so I don't think this statement is quite accurate. Technically.

However, I don't see Dean's deal as being on the same level of fuck up as Sam and Cas' choices the last few years, I mean, they REALLY fucked up and were playing with fire that could lead to massively bad shit, whereas Dean had no way of knowing that his deal would lead to the apocalypse, he thought it was simply gonna lead to his eternal torment, end of story.

I actually thought they were gonna have Benny be his big, stupid mistake that made a mess of things, but I was very wrong (and I'm okay with that, I ended up really liking their relationship and would have been sad to see them as enemies), I wonder if they'll try again this season.

[(Anonymous)]

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Well, if we want to get technical, Dean's deal was set in motion years before by YED, who worked at manipulating Sam and Dean both to put them in position to where they could break their respective seals. (What, you thought YED was taunting Dean about how Sam and John didn't need him like he needed them back in the S1 finale for his health or just because Dean looks pretty when anguished? ...Okay maybe a bit that second point.)

And, if you want to go back further than that, YED was only targeting Sam and Dean because Mary made her deal to save John.

And if you want to go back further than that, Mary only made her deal because Dean went back in time. YED took note of Mary to begin with because Dean told the Campbells that YED would target one of Mary's friends - Mary hadn't planned to go along until she knew a friend was involved and YED hadn't known about her before that. Not to mention that Dean showing up when only angels could move people through time (until S7 but we won't talk about S7) let YED know that his plan was working and that Dean's younger sibling would be the one he'd target.

Only it goes back further than that because clearly Dean couldn't go back in time by himself. The angels sent him back. So clearly it is originally their fault.

Except that angels don't have free will and are all preprogrammed and such. Which makes it God's fault. And seriously if the buck can't stop with God, then I just don't know what to tell you.

:D

All of this is somewhat tongue in cheek. I agree with your overall point about Dean's deal not being on the same level as what Sam and Cas did. At the very least, Sam and Cas knew what scale they were playing on. Dean had no idea his deal would affect anything other than Sam and Dean himself.

I liked Benny too! I hadn't expected that I would since I'm pretty tired of vampires but I thought they had a wonderful relationship. Benny is one of the very few characters I wouldn't mind seeing brought back from the dead, especially since his resurrection method has already been very well established.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, if we're getting technical, Cas only made his deal with Crowley because Raphael was a gigantic asshat who forced his hand, AND because Heaven and Hell (or God by implication) had already done all that shit to the Winchesters and Campbells and he was trying not to add to the steaming pile of crap. (Which backfired. Spectacularly.) XD

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly--Dean didn't keep ugly secrets or ignore multiple warnings from people he knew and trusted along the way, while listening to and conspiring with someone he knew he had good reason not to. Sam and Bobby didn't want him to do it, obviously, and they all knew it would affect the two of them as well as Dean, but nobody had any idea until long after the fact that there was a much bigger picture.

All of them, too, had much less experience at that time with the fact that these things *could* go so massively off the rails (again, also unlike Sam and Cas later on, who'd both watched it happen before.) All of which largely lets Dean off the hook, or at least places him at a whole different level of culpability than the other two.