[ SECRET POST #2427 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2427 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Dean has ever acted like he's more moral than Sam or Cas, just that he knows better.

One thing the show has been pretty consistent on is that Dean is a good judge of character, and a great leader. And Sam and Cas have proven themselves to be pretty fucking bad judges of character, and mediocre leaders. So when he gets high and mighty, well, he's probably just as sick of them not taking his advice as we are.

Plus, Dean's fuck-ups aren't usually due to his ego, unlike Sam and Cas'.

[(Anonymous)]

Riight...like how he immediately pegged Gordon Walker and the siren as bad news and Lenore and Amy as okay? And never judges anyone based on preconceived prejudices? Oh wait.

As for his leadership qualities, well, that's a bit of a mixed bag, isn't it? Sure he can get people motivated, especially if they're scared, inexperienced, easily intimidated or otherwise begging for someone to tell them what to do (then again, in those situations, so can Sam.) But he can also scare and/or antagonize the hell out of them, whether it's the Ghostfacers, the Chitaqua campers, or his own brother and Cas. 'I'm not going to logic you; do what I say just because' and 'If you walk out that door don't you ever come back!' are really, really lousy persuasive techniques, as a couple of examples.

He all too often fails to recognize the fact that the reason they're not listening to his advice is because he comes across all high and mighty rather than addressing them as equals.

[(Anonymous)]

He all too often fails to recognize the fact that the reason they're not listening to his advice is because he comes across all high and mighty rather than addressing them as equals.

Sam, is that you? Because this sounds just like the excuse Sam would use in defending one of his shitty decisions. "Well okay, I fucked a demon and got addicted to her blood and released Lucifer, but you're bossy and like, high and mighty, so it's not really my fault.

And FYI, Amy wasn't okay. She was stalking and killing people. But even if she wasn't, the whole point of Dean killing her is that he was in a really fucked up place. He wasn't acting in a not-normal-for-Dean manner. And Dean admitted he was wrong about Lenore. As for Gordon, he was specifically someone Dean was bonding with as a result of his trauma over his father's death, he wasn't himself then and Gordon wasn't someone he'd have bonded with if he wasn't in such a bad place. That was kinda the point of the episode, ya know? And just like Amy and Gordon, the Siren was specifically to illustrate Dean's fucked-up state. He was there to show Dean's internal fucked-upness regarding Sam's bullshit of season 4.

As for Dean's leadership skills, whatever. He's always the one who makes the decisions, comes up with the plans, leads the attacks. He's the one who motivates and deals with the opposition. It's a common thread in the show, that when Sam or Cas doesn't take his advice or listen to him, they end up regretting it.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, nobody said Sam's (or Cas's) screw-ups weren't their own fault. They both had warnings from other people than Dean. They made stupid asshat decisions and that's on their heads. But Dean was one of the very few people who was in a position to head them both off, and he failed each time because he had to fall back on John Winchester's "My way or the highway" attitude, which all else aside was pretty much guaranteed to piss Sam off and drive him away, as Dean knew perfectly well (or should have, after watching it play out over and over again since they were kids.)

Also, if you're going to excuse Dean's bad decisions because of extenuating circumstances, then play fair and excuse the others as well: Sam was in a really bad fucked-up place after Dean's horrible death and descent to Hell, and Cas had 24 hours to come up with a viable alternative to "surrender, die (and let the Apocalypse happen either way) or drag your best friend back into a horrible life he's trying to escape." An alternative, by the way, which nobody in the show ever did come up with. Dean was hellbent on making him stop, but he didn't have any better ideas and didn't even appear to try to think of any (what was that about coming up with the plans?)

It really doesn't matter how right or wrong Dean is if he can't get people to listen to him. And they don't listen because he can't (or won't) get off his high horse and treat others as competent adults, inspiring a desire in them to prove his condescending ass wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

It really doesn't matter how right or wrong Dean is if he can't get people to listen to him. And they don't listen because he can't (or won't) get off his high horse and treat others as competent adults, inspiring a desire in them to prove his condescending ass wrong.

How fucking childish. These are grown ass people, not 16 year olds.