[ SECRET POST #2433 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2433 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 073 secrets from Secret Submission Post #348.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/DukkGn5.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently viewfinder is an anime/manga and this is not in fact a fandom for actual viewfinders. Darn.

[(Anonymous)]

Now I'm beyond disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is a pity, because someone really needs to call out the offensive and intolerant attitudes of actual viewfinder fans - or viewfanders, as they call themselves. /is this the real life

[silverr]

Glad I stayed out of it then. My only experience of it was getting slapped for putting "too many" CS fics up on one of the YA comms ... yeah, let's not dilute the 400 VF fics on the comm with 6 from another of the mangaka's titles. :p

P.S. I'm at the point where I don't believe that there are ANY fandoms that aren't "cliquish, intolerant, elitist, and unfriendly"

[(Anonymous)]

P.S. I'm at the point where I don't believe that there are ANY fandoms that aren't "cliquish, intolerant, elitist, and unfriendly"

This

[pfefferminz]

I was wondering if you still have those fics up? Been trying to find CS fics for so long, gave up because I had no interest in VF at all.

[silverr]

Yup. http://archiveofourown.org/users/silverr/works?fandom_id=48279

(Also check my Gifts, I got a lovely Halceles/Halrein one for Yuletide a few years ago).

There might be some on FFnet as well.

[dancing_serpent]

Oh! I'll definitely take a look.

[silverr]

Heh, well, I know mine at least are there, as I set up the category :p

[(Anonymous)]

same here :(

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I've run across *one* that was fairly friendly, and tolerant/not elitist [I don't think anyways] but...it's also really, really, really small.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm mostly in the opinion that in this fandom, while there are pockets of very good fic, there's also a shitton of very bad ones. Nothing wrong with exploring genderswap, if you can do it well. It's just the people that decide to write it end up writing chapters and chapters of really bad 'bad fic', and it's usually the same shit about Takaba getting pregnant and "omg, what to do..." and yet, it's this kind of bad fic that's popular (and its seemingly acceptable to like this level of awful, bad fic. Derp.) No one wants to challenge it and write better. I don't think it's necessarily being misogynistic, it's just that hardly anyone can write good genderswap in this fandom.

warning, discussion of safe spaces in fandom (for whomever that might be triggering, mention of type

[transcriptanon]

warning, discussion of safe spaces in fandom (for whomever that might be triggering, mention of types of abuse)

[Picture is a screen-capture of a piece LiveJournal blog post. It says:

[Not fic] Just a few words to think on...

I saw something today in the VF fandom that made me want to cry. It wasn't on the YA or Sion community, but on another fan site, directed at specific fans. I feel the need the post this publicly on the chance that the person who wrote it will read this, and perhaps think before posting something like that again.

VF has been really important to me and a lot of others because of the tolerance within the community, especially regarding matters of gender, sexuality, rape/abuse history, and above all exploration of these things in fan fiction. Quite a few women (and men) come to this manga because they want to connect to others because they have pasts they're dealing with, or because they have questions about who they are, or because they know who they are and they feel different and are looking for like people to know that they're not. Whatever it is, VF draws us.

This isn't to say all the fans are like this. Many just like a good story with sexy boys (who doesn't? XD). And that's great too. I love the mix of fans, so many cultures and backgrounds and beliefs and motivations. So I think it's important to be aware that there are many readers who have other reasons for putting feelers out into the community than the ones that each of us has. And fan fiction can be a great way for writers and readers alike to explore all of them.

One common way of doing this across all fandoms is gender-bending. We have a couple of writers who have started experimenting with this. Not all of them do it the same way. Not everyone will agree with how the writers do it. But what's wonderful about it is that they're doing it at all, because it leads to people rethinking gender and what it means and discussion about the same, and for those who already have been thinking about it it leads to greater feelings of acceptance in the community because they know others are thinking about it too.

So today when I saw an extremely misogynistic attack upon one of these stories and its readers, simply because the author dared to give a BL character a CUNT and BOOBS, as the reviewer put it, my heart broke not just for the author, but for all the people who may already feel like outcasts because they have questions about their gender. What must they think, reading a review spewing hate simply because a writer changed a character's gender to explore what that means? What must they think [truncated]]

This post is a joke. The Viewfinder fandom has NEVER been tolerant or a safe space whether for gender or sexuality issues or for pairings (like shipping something that's not the fandom's pet pairing.) It was also hugely intolerant when the US got the translation of the manga and the outside US or Japan fans didn't.

So don't you come crying now, I used to be in this fandom and USED to has a reason. It's one of the most cliquish, intolerant, elitist and unfriendly fandoms I have ever had the misfortune to come across.

Re: warning, discussion of safe spaces in fandom (for whomever that might be triggering, mention of

[(Anonymous)]

wow well done for getting all of that!

Re: warning, discussion of safe spaces in fandom (for whomever that might be triggering, mention of

[transcriptanon]

Confession: I was taking too long deciphering the words obscured by the OP's text so I searched in Google for the original internet post and copy-pasted that. OTL

[(Anonymous)]

There's so many rambling words there, can someone give me the tl;dr point

[(Anonymous)]

A post on livejournal argued that Viewfinder fandom is a safe space and tolerant and brought up genderbending fics I guess as an example; the poster of this secret vehemently disagrees with the post.

[(Anonymous)]

oh. ok o_o

I feel bad for transcript anon now.

[(Anonymous)]

lol @ the notion that a fandom for a BL manga based on rape rape rape can ever be considered a 'safe space'

get better taste, then maybe people can feel some sort of sympathy for you

[(Anonymous)]

I couldn't decipher the text in the background at first, and I wondered if there is some other series named Viewinder, because a random raperaperaperapekawaiibuttsecks manga can't actually have a FANDOM. Then the helpful transcription anon posted the well transcription from the background text, and now I'm shocked... There is no other series, it IS about raperaperaperaperapekawaiibuttsecks Viewfinder.