[ SECRET POST #2433 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2433 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think the point is that you don't have to have a neckbeard to be one. It's an internet stereotype, as opposed to a bodyshaming/bodyhairshaming (?!?!??!) insult.

If I call somebody a neckbeard, I don't fucking know or care if they have one - all I know is that they bring to mind that stereotype of neckbeards online.

[(Anonymous)]

The complaint here is that the word "neckbeard" literally refers to an (undesirable) physical trait, and there is nothing to be gained by linking a physical trait with creepy and misogynistic behavior. It refers to a stereotype, but wouldn't it be more useful to rename that stereotype to something that didn't conflate unattractiveness with being a creeper?

[chardmonster]

Last I checked you can't shave your body type away. You can totally shave your neck.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but what meaning is actually gained by connecting creepy behaviors with a bad personal grooming choice? A man can shave every morning and otherwise meet conventional standards of male attractiveness, but still be a disgusting creep. I'd rather the word we use to point out bad behavior focus on the behavior itself, not on the personal grooming choices we assume the person engaging in the behavior makes.

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[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, and when I say "hairy-legged feminist", I don't literally mean you have hairy legs, I'm just using body shaming as a metonymy for something I find unpleasant.

Oh, wait, my mistake, that's not okay EITHER.

If your justification is "It's not bullying when WE do it" then you are doing something wrong.

[chardmonster]

It's totally okay to say hairy-legged feminist. I mean, people will argue with you, but you can say it. Hairy legs do send a certain cultural message. A woman who chooses not to shave her legs (in the US) is definitely making a statement. She's saying "fuck shaving." A black woman in the 1960s wearing her hair natural was often sending a message. Hell, metalheads and punk kids were definitely sending messages with their hair. Hair matters.

If you don't like the message your neckbeard sends, shave it. Otherwise, own it. But don't act like it's an integral physical feature you can change. It's one of the only things you can easily control (generally neck stubble isn't the same as a "neckbeard," before you try to argue that).

Oh yeah...GREAT argument

[(Anonymous)]

And a woman who wears a miniskirt should just not wear miniskirts if she doesn't want to send the message that she's promiscuous. The black teenager who wears a hoodie can CHOOSE not to wear a hoodie if he doesn't want to send the message that he's a thug.

You can totally control what clothes you put on, so if you don't want to send those messages just don't wear those clothes

...just showing you what your argument opens the door for here.

[(Anonymous)]

What? No, not shaving isn't making a statement. I'm not choosing to "not shave" any more then I'm choosing to "not dye the hair on my head". My default is having hair.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm actively discouraged from shaving by my doctors, after several surgeries for serious abcesses and long bouts of antibiotic treatment for serious, life-threatening infections that originated from in-grown hairs. I have a "choice" between either a neckbeard, or regular surgery PLUS inevitable shit hitting the fan when the latest inevitable infection turns out to be MRSA this time.

tl;dr Medically necessary neckbeard, motherfuckers.