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⌈ Secret Post #2435 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I thought they could have done way more with Asha and maybe Matt. CID was just a disgusting, unfunny parody of EDI. I couldn't care less about Keith David and I just ended up hating him because his fucking audio log always played whenever I loaded a save.

And from someone who only played SR:TT, I found characters like Johnny and Ben King impossible to connect to. I know this was meant for everyone who played the previous games, but I got attached to Shaundi in the 3rd game without playing the second, same goes with Viola (she wasn't in the previous games, but, yeah, still seething that she wasn't in the fourth).

I also wasn't impressed with how much everyone in the game was rubbing in my face that, oh, my God, Johnny Gat is the most awesome, most dangerous man in the fucking universe. Didn't help that when I finally saved this badass, he does absolutely nothing to back up all the hype. I guess that was the joke, though?

[(Anonymous)]

I guess? I also only played SR:TT but I'm not sure that was actually a joke since it seemed to be played pretty straight to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so he's just overrated like Garrus. OHH, NOW I GET IT.

[gonutsfordonuts]

I was disappointed that Viola wasn't in this game, too! I liked her a lot. People going through the game files have found audio logs and character models for her + a couple of other characters who never actually show up in the game, so I figure she'll probably be DLC of some kind.

As for Johnny, most of the cool stuff that he does happens in the Ronin arc of SR2 - I'd definitely recommend watching the cutscenes for that set of missions to get a better impression of why people like him so much. The way he's written for his like five lines in SR:TT is...not great, and SR4 depends on your knowledge of the previous games since he shows up so late to the main action.

Same for Ben King. He's fabulous but you really need working knowledge of the first game - specifically the Vice King arc, everything else in SR1 is p. much garbage - to get why.

(And tbh when you enter a series at the third installment I really think it's unfair to complain about not connecting to some of the characters. Of course you don't. You walked into a movie that's halfway over.)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT, I get that, but I also said that I had no trouble making a connection with Shaundi (or Pierce, for that matter) in the third game even though I didn't play the previous two. My point being, they could have done the same thing with Gat and King in the fourth game, but this one lacked so much substance compared to the previous game. It was mostly just shout outs to the past games, which, I understand, was the point. I was just saying that, by going that route, I wasn't exactly endeared to either of the characters.

But, seriously, if you're going to grind it in my face about how awesome Johnny Gat is, the least you can do is make him do something awesome in the SAME game and not tell me to go back and see why. The hype was getting Gat back would send all these aliens shitting their pants and what does he do when he gets back? Get in trouble driving a virtual helicopter and making Shaundi and the boss hurry over to babysit him. BADASS.

[(Anonymous)]

I've played all the games and I was pretty annoyed with the Gat hero worship as well. It's basically just the loudest portion of the player base put into the game. Johnny is kinda a shit and people that complain about Boss being less psychopathic from 2 to 3 makes me think that Johnny was a bad influence on the Boss. If that was intentional that's kinda neat.


I think because I've been into comics for a while I've gotten really tired of the revolving death door trope and just wanted him to stay dead. And Lin and Carlos. For the love of God fandom shut up about resurrecting everyone. (Except Aisha because no one cares about her amirite?)

Maybe I'm just bitter because my fave died and if it's anything like 90% of my other fave's deaths they're not coming back.

[(Anonymous)]

I found that the people complaining about the boss being less of a psychopath are the same people who go out of their way to say SR:TT and SRIV suck and that real fans should go back and play 2 because it's the greatest thing ever. You know, like Johnny.

From what little I saw of Aisha in the game and her wiki, I liked her. And, ugh, tell me about it. Viola was my favorite and she would have meshed so well with this president gig. But, no, let's kill her offscreen. Bah.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny because I always found that the "death" of Johnny in the 3rd game really played with the over all theme of it: selling out. The death of Johnny was the death of the old franchise and its tone.

They went from a pretty grim series when you looked at the story and then went with more of the outlandish, which was something heavily introduced in 2 that everyone liked.

Also, I found the boss became more of a psychopath. Just more corperate than street thug.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk. I actually found myself really enjoying King despite never playing anything before SR3, which - imo - kind of makes it seem like Gat either just isn't that great a character, or they did a really bad job of getting him across.

Also,tbh, your movie comparison doesn't hold up. A movie that you walk into half way is already half way through it's individual story arc. A game installment [or even just X book/movie in a series] has an individual arc and story lines that might connect to everything over all...but still are perfectly able to stand on their own, and create connections with new players/viewers/readers and already established characters.

Think about this way - the Harry Potter movies. You could miss the first one, and while you'd miss some world building you'd still be able to figure out the characters, the relationships between them and [even if you can't get the exact reason] a general gist of why the characters who are friends and friends, and who don't like each other don't like each other. You also get a grasp for their personalities. It's *shown* not just told. That's installment story telling well done.

That doesn't happen with Gat. It's basically just said "He's awesome!" Which is never really backed up with much "showing", and the characterization they give him isn't strong enough to cover for that and convey him as a strong, complex character.

King, on the other hand, does manage to have that conveyed and comes off as pretty awesome...while having roughly as much screen time as Gat gets.

Also,"YOU CAME IN ON THE THIRD INSTALLMENT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN"? Really? That's just silly.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess that this is rightful backlash about Gat considering how they normally write him verses the big deal about him coming back.

Narrative wise, he was the boss's oldest friend. That's basically all you get. You don't get the most imporant thing about him that makes him human above just the random guy that kills: his deceased girlfriend, Aisha. Without really going into that final bit, the game really did a diservice to the connection a new player could have to the character.

There's also the fact the game franchise loves playing the Worf Effect on him. So here's this guy built to be this total bad ass and now watch how he falls. Without the context of that there, you're missing in on the over all narrative joke. Again, not good for a new player trying to get a handle of the character.

Keep in mind, I like Gat. But I also play 2 as my first Saints Row game which gave you a way better impression of the character than IV did. IV, I don't know, I felt empty. I was happy they returned Gat and actually had him resolve his issue with Aisha but over all I felt like they didn't do as much as they could like they did with King.

tl;dr I can actually see where you're coming from, if that makes sense? Because I feel like IV doesn't give a very good first impression of the character. Which, for a long running character like Gat, is kind of important.