[ SECRET POST #2437 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2437 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/mIECz0u.jpg

[feotakahari]

I'm curious to see how many people know enough about what this secret is talking about to start wank over it.

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine the not caring will be more of a hindrance.

[(Anonymous)]

I got into a little bit of Yorkism wank earlier in the year, during the Richard III exhumation.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm tempted to go back to all the 15/16th century history books I read back in middle school just to start something.

[meredith44]

I know enough about what the secret is talking about that I could start wank if I wished (I've read the latter two books, and adore The Sunne in Splendor), but I just don't care enough to do so. There are tons of materials written from the other point of view (Shakespeare, anyone?) so I don't think it is a big deal that there are some written from the Yorkist viewpoint. But I also don't care that the OP is annoyed by it. Not everything is for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

I've no idea what you're talking about, but those are some nice book covers

[(Anonymous)]

I blame Bill Shakespeare for making a woobie of him.

[(Anonymous)]

Richardians are just Snapefen with fancier offices.

[sabotabby]

*gigglesnort*

[(Anonymous)]

LOL

[(Anonymous)]

This made my whole day.

[j_lunatic]

Woobifying? I definitely don't see it. But it does serve to make Richard III one serious underdog.

Secret 9 - Historical books (England)

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is the covers of the books "The Daughter of Time", by Josephine Tey, "The White Queen", by Philippa Gregory and "The Sunne in Splendor", by Sharon Penman. The first one has a white rose and a red rose growing out of a metallic crown?, the second one a woman with light skin and long braided blonde hair dressed in the finery of a queen, and the third one has many soldiers fighting in the background and many spears flying around and poking out of both sides of the picture, with the stylized image of the Fleur-de-lis stamped three times in the background.]

It annoys me that the most popular novels about this era are written with strong Yorkist sympathies.

Bonus secret: I think most Ricardians are delusional.

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[transcriptanon]

Wikipedia tells me that:

Yorkist = redirects to "House of York"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkist

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Ricardians are people interested in altering the posthumous reputation of Richard III, King of England (reigned 1483–1485). Richard III has long been portrayed unfavourably, most notably in William Shakespeare's play Richard III. In an effort to turn this around and paint such characterizations as politically motivated, Ricardian historians' work has produced editions of documents from Richard's reign, research, and articles which have contributed to scholarship of England in the 1480s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardian

[(Anonymous)]

*almost has a tiny moment of sympathy for Harmoanians*

Nah.

Actually, before I came to my Ricardian senses, I went through a phase of lurking beside Richard II's tomb and telling tourists that the Lancastrians didn't kill him...

[(Anonymous)]

...Not that it makes much of a difference, but Philippa Gregory actually has books that are written from both sides of the war. The book [The Red Queen] is set at roughly the same time as The White Queen, but follows a character on the other side.

So yeah - her books? Not the best of examples.

[That said, her books have proven to be something you really need to take with a grain of salt as far as the actual history in them...and she does sometimes show bias in her various books.]

[(Anonymous)]

I've read The Red Queen, and it is indeed about a Lancastrian, Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond. It's also a highly unflattering portrait of her and the supposed zealotry she had for the Lancastrian cause, so I'm not sure this really disproves the OP's point.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk man, I have Yorkist sympathies and I still thought Sunne in Splendour was literally one of the worst things I've ever read in my life. Sometimes it's not great if the author's sympathies lean too strongly towards either side.

[(Anonymous)]

Dear OP, the 15th century called, they want their wank back.

:P

I kid. I love this secret. Thanks man. And holy shit; after almost twenty five years, I finally noticed that the Tudor rose is totally a mix of the Lancaster and York roses. Oh my God I am a lame idiot.

[sparklywalls]

I dunno OP, Gregory strikes me as a Woodville fangirl above all else so isn't necessarily completely pro Yorkist and/or Richard.

Gonna be honest. I am a Yorkist sympathiser and a Ricardian but I see your point in a way. Not from literature because the Tudors ensured there was around 500 years of the viewpoint you think is lacking so meh, at the moment there's a bit of a Yorkist revival at this point in academic sources and therefore fiction as well. But man do some Ricardians piss me off. I was so excited when they found his body but the channel 4 show about it was an hour of some batshit insane woman wailing over a pile of bones instead of the y'know the ARCHAEOLOGY I was expecting from an archaeology dig.

I am also annoyed at all the members of the society who refuse to accept dude was medieval so of course he wasn't an angel even if he didn't do all the things he's accused of doing. That's why I've never joined. You're better reading books by the Ricardian academics who give a balanced view because coming down too hard on either side isn't great.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you me?

[hokuton_punch]

Oh man, I hope you don't live near York. Them's fightin' words.

(My period is much earlier so I have no dog in this fight.)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh God PREACH IT

For some reason this is one of those bizarre phenomenons where people with a little bit of knowledge are CONVINCED they know The Real Story, unlike the rest of the sheeple. And they throw all logic and common sense out the window. I swear, it really is like a fandom--the "Ricardians" are like the Snapefen, they absolutely disregard all evidence that doesn't support their view of their woobie.

[(Anonymous)]

I did not understand a one word you just said.