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is this what feminist actually believe?

i've seen it a lot,

and people always seem to ignore the fact that men are substantially more likely to be victims of violence

ask a school full of boys in a shitty area and you would be unable to find one who hadn't been repeatedly robbed or beaten up for being in the wrong area at the wrong time

so yeah it's not exactly a unique female experience, men are just taught to give very little consideration to their own welfare

No. It's not what feminists believe, it's what well-off white women assume, never having lived in a dangerous area themselves or had any friends or family mugged.

You know, not only white women are well off.

And what does the color of the skin have to do with likelihood of being mugged? You think white people are less likely to be mugged. And do you actually think having a big bank account makes you immunized to being mugged

Rich people don't get mugged? Tell that Batman, you snit!

Um... okay, give me a moment to find studies but, for example, minority on minority cirme is way more rampant than crimes on whites in bad neighborhoods. It's proven and a fact that you should really be aware of. White people don't get attacked as much because everyone knows if you attack a white person they'll go to the cops and the cops will always be on their side.

because everyone knows if you attack a white person they'll go to the cops and the cops will always be on their side

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh, wait, you're serious. Let me laugh harder!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Oh. If you're just going to dismiss everything, I guess I shouldn't bother wasting time with the sources then.

Question: are you a minority?

Yes, I am. Though that shouldn't matter because it's clear you have not done your homework.

But keep on thinking that whites are these magical people that the cops listen and believe everything they say. Never has a cop questioned a white rape victim. A white mugging victim. Never has a cop harassed any white person for something that the white person did not do.

What fantasy land do you live in?

Oh, if that was all, I apologize for my wording. I meant they tend to generally favor a white person over a minority person. I suppose "always" was not a good word to use there.

I truly hope you don't believe that all races get treated equally to whites by the police, though. Because it's quite adamantly not true.

It does depend where you are as a white person. I hear in Japan there is such a thing as "GBBW" (Guilty by being white.) That cops will randomly stop white tourists and transplants because in their eyes, white people, namely Europeans, Americans and Australians, are naturally more violent than native Japanese. If you, as a white person, live in a country, where you are the majority, of course you are going to get better treatment than being a minority. But if you are a white person who is a minority in a country, don't expect the same treatment.

Considering where OP probably got the information though, it was likely an American, European, or Australian person that made the initial claim. Within the context of the conversation, I highly doubt the the people making the claim that men don't understand what it's like to walk through a rough area were referring to people in Japan.

Re: ~omg men dont know what its like to walk through a rough area

(Anonymous) - 2013-09-07 21:43 (UTC) - Expand

I will confirm from experience that what you've heard about Japan is true-- white people are stopped on a regular basis just because they're white.

And try going to the police after a sexual assault in Japan, being non-Japanese. Try it. I dare you.

Re: ~omg men dont know what its like to walk through a rough area

ill_omened - 2013-09-07 21:56 (UTC) - Expand

is it really all that relevant to respond to a comment that was clearly written in the context of Europe and North America and be all "WELL YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE IN JAPAN"

i mean, what is the earthly point of that, for pete's sake

Re: ~omg men dont know what its like to walk through a rough area

(Anonymous) - 2013-09-07 22:02 (UTC) - Expand

Re: ~omg men dont know what its like to walk through a rough area

diet_poison - 2013-09-08 02:02 (UTC) - Expand

I've never heard this before, so I doubt it'd s universal 'feminist' thing.

It'd also be incredibly stupid to think that, too. The majority of violence in the states is committed by men, and the majority of people who are the victims of said violence are also men.

Don't you know? All men have the superpowers of Superman. They can't be hurt in any way. If someone tries to mug them, rape them and or kill them, they puff out their chests and say, "Not today, criminal!" And then they fly off to their tropical island lairs in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

I read it on tumblr, so it must be true.

Only idiots think this. Carry on.

Eh, I think it's kind of a different thing.

Not at all. The only people I know who have been mugged or beaten up under any non-sexual circumstances are men. However, not all assault is violent battery or motivated by robbery and what exactly people fear in a given situation is going to vary a bit based on a number of factors - one of which is gender - and doesn't always perfectly line up with what is statistically likely to happen.

People who say things like that are being a little naive if they think not being in a "rough" area means they don't have to worry about sexual harassment or assault. I live in a neighborhood with a ridiculously low crime rate and a couple of years ago there was a guy going around grabbing women's chests as he walked past them, feeling them up, and then running away. I don't know if he was ever caught. No one was raped, robbed, beaten, or killed, but I'd have a bone to pick with anyone who thinks I have nothing to fear just because I have a relatively low chance of being violently mugged.

A couple years ago on my college campus, a guy was on his bike IN BROAD DAYLIGHT and rode between two women who were walking together, grabbed their asses, and rode off.

The school sent out an email to everyone because I guess they thought this was a security issue, and they bungled the wording, and then everyone on campus was making a great big joke about it, which made me super mad.

Like, no, he didn't rape anyone, but it's still SEXUAL ASSAULT and it isn't okay.

(So basically, yes, it can happen anywhere, even if the rates are lower in some places, and if a woman can't walk around outside without worrying that her body is going to be grabbed by a complete stranger, then she isn't 100% safe.)

That is dumb, of course.

I do wonder though how that compares in GOOD neighbourhoods. I live in a really safe area, but at night, if there's a dude walking near me, I'll still be kinda freaked out, and I know lots of women who feel the same. Some guy friends I talked to were astounded by this and couldn't imagine feeling uncomfortable in our area.

Except that I don't think they're talking about being mugged and more about being raped? - Keeping in mind, of course, that rapists know their victims more often than not instead of grabbing them off a dark corner, but this is what women are taught to fear.

But yes, that doesn't cover the whole spectrum of violence in rough neighbourhoods, I agree.

Young men are most likely to be victim of a violent crime but are the least affraid of crime.

You actually kind of defended the argument with your last sentence? If men are taught to give very little consideration to their own welfare they don't experience the same kind of fear conditioned into women. So men might actually experience violence more but women are conditioned to be hyper-aware and fearful of vulnerability as an almost constant whereas it might not cross a man's mind until it has to. So the genders do have unique experiences in the same situation.

Not to mention these feminists are most likely talking about fear of rape and resulting victim-blaming which is a separate issue from fear of robbery and assault.

Yeah, all of this. And even in the case of non-sexual attacks, it's not men who get chided for daring to be in a sketchy neighborhood without male protection or pepper spray or a big dog or or or.

Yep, and IME in the case of non-sexual attacks the focus tends to be on telling women they're lucky they weren't raped and told they're lucky they learned a lesson the easy way.

Edited 2013-09-08 22:27 (UTC)

I would submit that there is a greater cultural expectation of men to be able to defend themselves physically, and to believe that they're able to do so, whether or not it's true.

"Very little consideration to their own welfare" goes along with a thought I've had for some time, which is that men are not taught, to the same extent as women, to believe that they are entitled to safety.

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