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⌈ Secret Post #2441 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[fleshisyummy]

Well, okay, but a feminist isn't hurting anyone by hating men or being a lesbian.

There's a difference between disliking SJWs and writing "Anti-SJW" on your blog because those people tend to be the types that go out of their way to actively harass trans* and POC people.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

You're missing the point, I was saying that assuming one thing is true of all people who say they are a thing is stupid, outside of the definition of the thing.

Assuming "feminist" = "lesbian" is stupid.
Assuming "anti-SJW" = "racist" is also stupid.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[chardmonster]

You seem weirdly defensive about this. Did somebody yell at your blog?

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I just hate SJW who are making it worse and harder for me to try to actually talk to people about race, sexuality, and whathaveyou, and the idea that labeling myself an anti-SJW makes me racist is baffling.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[silverr]

An option might be to label yourself "Anti-bigotry, anti-intolerance, anti-bullying, anti-lack of compassion" etc.

imo, being against those things is what social justice was actually about before the term got pounded into oblivion.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

How is hating men not harming anyone? Isn't hating other people merely for belonging to a particular demographic group just a bad thing, period?

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that comment really made me shake my head. Hating people doesn't hurt anyone...?

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[fleshisyummy]

(Sorry this is late. I just came back from swimming and watching a movie for a class).

When a woman says she hates men, it generally doesn't mean she hates all men individually. It means she hates the patriarchy created by men. It's a form of metonymy. For instance, people say things like "Bush started the war in Iraq" or "I hate America." It wasn't just Bush, though. It also involved Congress, advisors, and a lot of other people, and people generally don't mean every individual American; they mean the concept of America.

A woman saying she's hates men (and I'm talking about cismen) isn't harmful to men because men are not oppressed for being men. Can a man be oppressed? Certainly. A gay man and a black man are examples of men who are oppressed, but they are not oppressed because they are men. They are oppressed because they are black and gay.

A woman on tumblr saying that she hates men on tumblr isn't really going to affect men in any way except give him some hurt feelings. A man's misogyny, on the other hand, has very negative real world implications for a woman such as physical and sexual assault. (Of course, men can be sexually and physically assaulted as well by women, but it does not occur nearly as often and it is not the result of systematic misandry). Men also don't have to deal with things such as slutshaming or having their reproductive rights taken away.

It's like when a queer person says they hate straight people or when a POC says they hate white people. Straight and white people are not going to be oppressed in society for being straight abd white because they're in a position of power.

I don't think I'm explaining this very well, but, yeah, hating someone who is oppressed is way worse than hating someone in a position of power because oppressed people are actually mistreated due to their gender, race, and sexual orientation because of this hatred, while unoppressed people such as a straight cis white male only really get flack on a microblogging website.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[elialshadowpine]

I would add to that that you don't generally see people saying these things outright going up to men, or whatever, and personally attacking them. Whereas women, gay people, POC, PWD, etc, fairly regularly get personally attacked, especially if they are talking about social justice issues. (There are exceptions (thinking of some certain communities), but as a general rule, I don't see this so much.

(Editing to clarify that I am specifically talking about statements like "I hate men", and not incidents where someone is being a bigot and gets called out for it. Two entirely different things.)

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard this argument before, and I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.

If someone hates oppression, or oppressive male behavior, or the flaws in the system that enable these things, then I have no problem with them saying so. I agree! But generalizing it to "men" (or insert any other powerful or privileged group of your choice) conveys to me, whether this is the intention or not, that, if the situation were reversed, the oppressed party would behave exactly the same as their oppressors. The only difference being that they don't currently possess the clout to make their own prejudice policy. Which pretty much yanks the moral high ground right out from under them, as far as I'm concerned.

So yeah, I'm sticking with my original premise. Generalized hatred of other groups of people is bad, full stop. Hatred of bad behavior, bad systems, bad attitudes, bad policies, bad social norms--all of those are a different matter entirely.

Re: Anti-sjws are often just as bad.

[nyxelestia]

It's the same exact vitriol trap on either side. I try to stick to the term "SJA" or social justice activist label, though I'm not sure it's working. I firmly believe that I can call out sexism without automatically lumping it in with misogyny.