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(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Meh, Fleur/Bill was the 100000th retelling of 'ugly man/hot woman who doesn't care what he looks like.' Booooring. And he was in his 20s and was, what, 18 when they married? how romantic and original.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, yeah. This "hot woman needs to prove she's not shallow by marrying a fuckface" trope is annoying. But somehow they have to or else they're bitches.
The Disney fandom still gives Esmeralda shit for getting it on with Phoebus instead of QUASIMODO and yet none of those people would ever go for the nice and disfigured person if they could have the nice and hot one.

*gets off soapbox*

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
I was surprised when I found that out about Esmerelda! I liked her with Phoebus, and still do despite the book because the movie is its own thing. IA, most people would go for Disney!Phoebus instead.

However, I think there should be more stories with hot guy/ugly woman, maybe if it had been flipped like that for B/F I would've been more interested or impressed. I don't hate them, it's just that seeing it held up as the gold standard against 'all those other shitty HP pairings,' when B/F really isn't that new or groundbreaking ("Don't look at me, Bill, I'm 'ideous"), bothers me. Also because that praise comes off to me as rooted in FLAWLESS LADY IS FLAWLESS, YOUR FAVORITE(S) COULD NEVER, and I'm getting tired of seeing that. And now it's time for me to get off my soapbox!

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Now I'm seeing Quasimodo as the ultimate Nice Guy!
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[personal profile] blunderbuss 2013-09-09 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I don't blame Esmeralda - Quasimodo is a kind person, but still very emotionally immature - but her getting it on with Phoebus totally ruins the underlying theme of acceptance.

"It doesn't matter what you look like, what's inside is what matters! ... Except lolnope, she's going with the hot guy, too bad!"

Not to mention their romance was pretty much out of nowhere. I'd much rather that she gets with neither of them.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Except what Quasimodo really always wanted was to accepted by the people he could see from the tower, not Esmeralda in particular. She accepted him from day one.

The movie ends with him getting his wish, being able to be out and about with everyone else without fearing rejection.

Why would Quasimodo not "getting the girl" (who throughout the movie is only ever his friend and never shows any romantic feelings in return) ruin the movie?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I generally hate that people make this movie all about the ~romance~. Quasimodo has a crush on Esmeralda because she's a) the first person to be kind to him and b) the only pretty girl he's seen up close for a longer time in his whole life. It fades pretty quickly, imo.

But in general, what that movie - great as it may be - made out of the book is sad.

[personal profile] seventh_seal 2013-09-09 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
JKR sure likes the hot girl/not hot guy trope. Cuckoo's Calling.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
...Bill was ugly? That's news to me, but then I was never the biggest HP fan. All I remember is a ponytail.
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[personal profile] vethica 2013-09-09 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
He got mauled by a werewolf and was scarred extensively.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Bill was attacked by Fenrir, which left lots of scars on his face. And before anyone says "that doesn't mean he's ugly" Fleur herself said she didn't care what he looked like and she could be pretty enough for the both of them. Doesn't scream "Best ship ever" to me.

da

(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
It read more like 'hot man/hot woman fall in love and get engaged, then hot man is gravely injured fighting a horrible monster, and hot woman doesn't ditch him just because he's now scarred' to me, but whatever floats your boat, anon.

or are we forgetting that bill was also described as pretty attractive when we first met him?

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
Meh, you can put B/F on a pedestal all you want and bash the canon pairs, it still reads as 'ugly 1-dimensional man/hot 1-dimensional woman' to me, and I'll never understand how that is leagues better or any deeper than the canon ships. I'm sure if they had been more of a focus, people would be hating on them now. Most of HP fandom reaaaally likes to be edgy and obsessed with its superior fanon.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
Lolwat? Just exactly what books are you reading where B/F is fanon? Also Fleur didn't marry Bill until DH, which means she would have been 20 and was dating him for more than 2 years.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, I didn't mean B/F is fanon? I meant the HP fandom is obsessed with its long intricate headcanons that they consider superior to JKR's tropes, when really the headcanons are the same thing. I like how it's cool to hate on H/G, J/L, and R/H for probably doing the same thing flawless B/F did, date for a couple years and get married.
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[personal profile] hwc 2013-09-09 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Why does it read "ugly guy/hot woman" to you when for most of the time they'd known each other before they married Bill was hot? They met in Harry's fourth year, Bill got mauled at the end of Harry's sixth. A few months later they got married.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-09 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Because he turned into an ugly, scarred man? Going by Bill's description, he sounded ugly to me.

I am amused at how easily people bash the canon pairings because it's so cool and everyone else does it, but B/F is like this untouchable precious thing because the majority of fandom likes it.
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[personal profile] hwc 2013-09-09 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It might be because I've been shipping B/F since GoF (I admit, I felt smug vindication when Fleur proved Ginny and Molly wrong at the end of HBP)that reducing the ship to the ugly guy/hot girl trope seems so weird to me, but I honestly don't see it.

If Bill had been scarred back when they met, maybe, yes. But they got together when Bill was the hot guy to Fleur's hot girl, so it doesn't make sense to me. When I think of the ugly guy/hot girl trope it's more along the line that the ugly guy gets the hot girl, and not that the hot guy gets together with the hot girl and then becomes ugly.

Do the canon pairings really get bashed that much? Obviously the Harmoanians, but other from them and rabid Remus/Sirius shippers is there really so much bashing going on? Thinking that the romance was poorly executed =/= bashing; honestly, the fact that we didn't see most of B/F relationship probably worked in the pairing's favour. The main complaint I see is that JKR can't do romance, which doesn't become a problem if the romance happens off-screen, so to speak. (That said, I haven't been in fandom since before the last book came out, so things may have changed.)
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