[ SECRET POST #2442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2442 ⌋

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Comments

[saku]

straight people and gay people are phobic of nonbinary people though, primarily for the same reasons bisexual people tend to be phobic of nonbinary people as well. it's all in whether or not you agree with the gender binary system. if you do, then you suck. if you don't, then there's no need to have this conversation. i don't think bisexual people are inherently phobic of those who fall outside the gender binary. i do, however, think a lot of them are.

[thene]

But going at this discussion the other way, nonbinary people don't solely date pan-identified people imx? I just meet people who date people.

I don't agree with the 'gender binary system', although obv most of the people I meet from day to day are strangely obsessed with it. I am really not down with seeing bi-identified people singled out in this regard though, and that's what much of this thread is about; singling out a sexual minority for interrogation of their beliefs and desires (often while ignoring & erasing their actual lives, words and history).

[saku]

i'm only talking about bisexual people and their relation to the gender binary because bisexuality came up as an appropriate replacement of pansexual identities and i disagree with that. i didn't mean to imply that bisexual people are the only ones who do this since that's not the case at all and in all honesty i see more bisexual people who consider those outside the binary system than i see from any other minority group (but this is all from my own personal experience).

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Saku, I'm assuming you yourself are outside the gender binary system. Perhaps even deliberately, painstakingly so.

Are you sure you just aren't dealing with people who don't want to put up with your bullshit?

[saku]

are you implying i'm trying to be a minority to make a point?

if people don't want to "put up with" my "bullshit" then they don't have to engage me at all.

[thene]

But you seem to be making a similar argument in reverse - that bisexual people should 'reconsider our identifier', are 'adhering stubbornly' to our identity, which implies that you think we should regard embracing pansexuality as an appropriate replacement for our identities?

[saku]

a lot of bisexual people are not inclusive as you are, which is why pansexuality isn't going to go away.

i'm not saying bisexual people are adhering stubbornly to their identifier, it's the adherence to the binary system that i'm talking about. and not all bisexual people do this. it is not bisexuality that i take issue with.

[thene]

I neither want nor expect pansexuality to go away! I would just like people who identify with it to stop saying biphobic things, and perhaps to do some shouting down when they see other people saying biphobic things. Because it seems to happen a lot.

[saku]

well i apologise for coming across as biphobic. i'm not; by your definition i would be bisexual myself and i am comfortable with that label if it follows your definition. unfortunately it doesn't in a lot of cases, which is what i'm disdainful of. it is more so the definition that i am against (the definition that adheres to the gender binary, rather) than the term itself.