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But I can get het anywhere. It's typically het that doesn't handle women in a way I prefer, though. So I tend to read f/f or m/m (or genderswap m/f where the women involved are very close to their canon male characterization). The only het ship I'm passionate about is Buffy/Spike and that's typically written with a dynamic that I'm more likely to find in m/m slash than I do in m/f het. (Buffy tops, btw.)

Not to mention that, in my experience? Straight guys aren't really bothered when female characters are written poorly or as One Trope Wonders. You know the type - the ones that are defined by the fact that they're female. That class, traits, personality, etc are all drilled down into the fact that they're The Chick. That bothers me though. It bothers me a whole fucking lot. I get badly written female characters all the damn time. I love and treasure het fic that does a good job with female characters but I don't come across a whole lot of it. And (just like with m/m or f/f) it tends to be full of the same tropes and dynamics that hound professional media. But at least m/m or f/f handles it in a slightly new way. With m/f, it's just more of the same.

This is a good comment. You're the only person in this thread who answered my question in a convincing way.

Although, in many cases, I've seen a well-developed female character get pushed to the side in favor of an uninteresting two-dimensional male character in terms of shipping, and that makes me somewhat bitter.

I get all the Het I need in canon, really, more of it than I can handle.

I read fan fiction for the slash and the femslash because I'm wired to love them too and try finding that much in canon.

Why do you care what other people read or enjoy? It doesn't affect you in any way.

Thiiiis. It's so much more about the dynamics and characterization. I read a lot of het when I was an undiscerning 13 y.o. but after a while I realised the quality stuff was more likely to be m/m or f/f.

THIS. I so incredibly rarely have found a het story where the female character is depicted in a way I respected even a little bit. Most het I've bothered to read is boring and frustrating and patriarchal for "romantic" reasons, buying into societal norms that irk me.
In fact, I won't read slash where one of the male characters is depicted as giving up his autonomy or is woobie-fied to the extent he has no freaking agency. It pisses me the fuck off every time (and bores me to tears.)

The whole reason I got into slash to begin with is for the equality of the partnership. That and the two cocks. (I do sometimes read femslash, but as I'm a straight woman, not as often.) But if they don't act like equals, I say fuck it and backbutton out of there.

Your opinions. I shares them.

I want equals that het does not often give. I also want less woobie and more IC (over-woobification counts as OOC).

AYRT

over-woobification counts as OOC

Right on. It boggles me that people enjoy reading stuff that's so OOC, but different strokes. Everyone gets something different out of fandom, which is why OP's post is so ridiculous.

And the OP makes assumptions about people finding het "gross" that are inaccurate as far as I'm concerned. I don't find it gross. I often find it offensive to myself politically, yes, or boring, and it pushes my sexism hotbuttons, and my resentment of the Establishment, but I don't find it repulsive.

I just prefer sticking it to the Man. Literarily-speaking.

More and more I am accepting that the porn is not the important part of fanfic for me. I'm here for the romance, while the porn is just a happy bonus (as long as it's well-written). The romance works better if the characters stay as close to In Character as possible, because too far OOC and it stops being them in everything but name.

And I have never subscribed to the "Het is gross!" idea, not even during my most strict slasher days. Just because I'm a straight woman does not mean I have to read het all the time.

Yis! The more IC it is, the more *there* I am, so the more the romance works for me. And the porn works better then anyway, because it's always hotter if I believe in them.

Bull. Shit.

You are ALL fine with One Trope Wonder boys, but because they're the default gender (male), that can't be the defining feature so you're fine with them just being hot and dull as dirt. Stop with your fucking sexism expecting the girls to rise to your impossible standards.

I realize I'm incredibly late to this party, but on the off chance that you come back to this, I just wanted to say THANK YOU. This is exactly what makes me gnash my teeth about the whole damned thing. Not to mention, so many of the people using OA's argument are WRITERS, the ones WRITING the slash fanfic. I mean, really? You only write slash because you hate the shallow female characters, blah blah blah? WRITE THEM WITH MORE DEPTH, THEN!

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