[ SECRET POST #2456 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2456 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[China, Illinois]


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03.
[The Mortal Instruments]


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04.
[Community]


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05.
[Hunter x Hunter, Senritsu/Melody]

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06.
[Hetalia]


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07.
[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]


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08.
[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia]


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09.
[Ghostbusters]


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10.
[Teen Wolf]


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11.
[Malik Ishtar from Yugi-oh Duel Monsters]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #351.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/CvlrUl4.png
[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]

[(Anonymous)]

Monsters don't admit to or regret their mistakes

Is that a fact?

[(Anonymous)]

My reaction, too. :\

Pretty sure abusers and various other RL "monsters" will happily admit, show remorse for, and possibly even FEEL remorse* for their actions. It's one of the major reasons they keep getting forgiven and continue/escalate their nasty behavior.

*I say "possibly" because I don't pretend I can read minds, but I am certainly skeptical of anyone who claims to feel bad and then go right on doing the shit they've been doing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, except Mora was genuinely sorry for what he did. The relationship is complicated and the secret doesn't give us the details, but as a DS9 fan I can say Mora isn't a bad person and didn't set out to hurt Odo in any way.

The images are from the episode where Odo and Mora came to see things from each others' perspective and they realized they were BOTH wrong.

[silverr]

I felt the same way whenever I see that episode. Mora always seemed like a fairly decent guy who was also thunderingly unaware; his realization of what he'd done was doubly mortifying, not only because he'd been so oblivious he'd been, but because there was not really any way to make it up to Odo.

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact that he was oblivious of the great harm that he was doing - does that in any way absolve him of responsibility or guilt?

[silverr]

His remorseful reaction seemed to say "no" ... after all, isn't guilt knowing you did something your conscience deems wrong?

To me it's what you do after you discover you've inadvertently hurt someone that distinguishes the sociopaths from the non-sociopaths.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess the question is whether he should have known - because if he should have known, then his failure to notice is in itself a moral fact, isn't it?

You're probably right though, honestly I think I'm talking about something else really

[silverr]

Well, I sort of know what you mean, I think. Like knowing something, but not being aware that you know until you have an epiphany? Even those who try to be decent moral folks screw up sometimes and subconsciously let a Reality Distortion Field kick in.

[quantumreality]

This. It was very heartwarming to see him and Odo finally able to reconcile after years of Odo wanting nothing to do with him.

[kallanda_lee]

Here's the thing.

The fact that he shows emotion means he's not a sociopath, the fact that he feels regret means he still has a moral compass in there, and some powers of empathy. However, I do not believe that that makes everything peachy again.

In fact, sometimes that's worse. At least, from a sociopath you can expect it. But it's he people who do terrible things, then go home and play with their kid that are even more scary...because it proves any of us could be a monster.

[darkmanifest]

Yes, all of this.

[(Anonymous)]

He was somebody that made a horrendous mistake and it cost him the paternal relationship he could have had with Odo. I have no doubts the guilt from that haunts him for the rest of his life or whatever.

At least Odo knows Mora acknowledges his ginormous fuckup.

People can forgive their abusers if the abuser makes a true effort to change. My best friend was molested by her father as a kid. He was on drugs. He cleaned up, feels horrible for what he did, did jail time and came out a changed man. He called her up sobbing and she was able to forgive him. Now they're close.

Doesn't work that way for everybody, but there's an example of how it's possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Alllllllll of this.

Plus it can really mess with the head of the victim. To see someone who's been awful to you act fairly healthily and normally around other people can really bring out a lot of those "maybe I deserve(d) it because I'm uniquely crappy" feelings that perpetuate victims' acceptance/rationalization of abuse. Which obviously makes it easier for the abuser to get off light while the victim still suffers, even after the fact. (Without going into detail here, I'm speaking both from personal experience and from more recent experience actually talking to victims.)

[(Anonymous)]

I never thought he was a horrible man. He screwed up and hurt Odo, because he was in over his head and didn't know what he was doing.

[(Anonymous)]

Their relationship was one of the many examples of nuanced writing that made me love DS9. No other Trek series even comes close.