[ SECRET POST #2462 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2462 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[ozaline]

I didn't realize Wolverine was on Havok's side on this, I really think the writers behind this simply don't get the point of the X-men, and really they should hang in some queer spaces for a while... there might not be one single mutant community just like there's not one single gay or trans community, but mutants have forged into communities both big and small for mutual support and protection and that's no less genuine than any other grouping.

Mutants have been shown to have their own clubs, their own fashion, their own lingo, and much more in past issues, this has all evolved from their need to group together to share their experiences and protect themselves from outsiders. This is how all communities evolve.

[(Anonymous)]

Havok and Wolverine are part of the Uncanny Avengers now.

The real X-Men think they're full of crap.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/26/kitty-pryde-talks-about-the-m-word/

[ozaline]

Yeah I read the Kitty part before she's my favorite X-man and I thought it was pretty awesome, but yeah I just didn't know about Wolvie being in on this.

[(Anonymous)]

Wolverine has been a mutant for nearly two hundred years, and if I understand things correctly, there haven't been enough mutants to make a mutant community for more than fifty years.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought until House of M his memories only went back to when he escaped from Weapon X and was found in the woods by the Hudsons?

[(Anonymous)]

Entirely possible. I'm not thoroughly versed in all the intricacies of canon, so I probably shouldn't be in this discussion.

[insanenoodlyguy]

It's how it happeend, but he has his memories back now so it's moot anyway.

[ozaline]

Again that's a pretty clear parallel to the queer community(ies), excluding the fact that we don't have semi-immortal hipsters who can complain about not having queer friends to hang out with a century ago. That might actually explain where Wolverine is coming from as a character if I thought this was actually about the characters rather than just using them as mouthpieces for certain writers.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, when Remender had Wanda lecture Rogue about Havok's speech it became pretty clear they were just being used as his mouthpiece.

[insanenoodlyguy]

That was more of the fox movieverse though. The x-men were originally written as racial minority parallels and that application should also be considered unless you want to go death of an author on this.

[(Anonymous)]

Mutants were also written as a parallel for gay people before the movies came out.

[ozaline]

They were really written to stand in for any oppressed minority, and they really started touching on Queer issues long before the movies, the Legacy Virus was a stand-in for AIDS for example (a clunkly handled one). There was one story where a cemetary refused to bury a Mutant because it was against their religion and so on.

But in the case of examining if there is a mutant culture, the queer community is a better example to look too, I think just because it more closely parallels how a mutant culture must have developed.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there are two sides -- communities formed on the basis of being mutants are just as valid as any other community. On the other hand, being a mutant does not guarantee and should not require belonging to a mutant community.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but Havok was basically speaking for all mutants in his speech ("Please don't call us mutants").

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not talking about Havok, he's... I'm not sure what he's doing, but it looks smarmy. I'm arguing that there is a place for skepticism on "mutant community" rhetoric.

[nyxelestia]

I'll start with a caveat that I don't really follow the X-Men comics that closely, so most of what I know, I'm inferring from the secret itself and some second-hand knowledge and fandom/cultural osmosis.

That said...I can see why some mutants might be skeptical about the "mutant community" thing, and why others would be skeptical about the skeptics. I'm a part of multiple minorities, but I'm not really connected to any of those communities*, so I can greatly empathize with the disdain for the whole "ethnic/genderqueer/religious/etc community" perception people tend to have, that if you are X you are a part of X group (pun unintended).

* = to be a little more precise, I'm of Indian decent. My father has no connections to the Indian community at all, and my mother's connections are intermittent at best and rarely something she bothers to drag me into. This confuses most of the desi people I meet.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Kitty and the others actually complained about that later