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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-03 07:20 pm

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chardmonster: (Default)

I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-10-03 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
If the sum of what you've gotten from your teachers and professors is "words are beautiful! You will get published because of your virtue! People love beautiful books!" you are a shitty fucking student. You are the English Major stereotype other english majors are embarrassed by.

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
this is true

Poorly written mass-market books have existed forever. I think most teachers focus on literary fiction and the classics, and I'm not so sure that creative writing teachers aren't incredibly biased. But it's not like this stuff is that hard to look up.

tl;dr writers are not a breed of mystical super-people get over it
chardmonster: (Default)

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-10-04 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
If OP has gotten to the point where they have Professors instead of just teachers, then I highly doubt they are actually being taught this bullshit.

I think what happened is that they got perfectly adequate education that they completely ignored because they were trapped in a sparkly haze of IMA GONNA BE A RITOR UF BOOKS AH LUV WERDS
Edited 2013-10-04 00:07 (UTC)

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
yah this
forgottenjester: (Default)

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] forgottenjester 2013-10-04 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much this. All my teachers taught us the opposite of that and were frankly surprised when we were still sitting in class by the end.
chardmonster: (Default)

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-10-04 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, seriously.
cakemage: (Dachshund)

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] cakemage 2013-10-04 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, same here.

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not a English Major...but I'd be surprised they thought that even if they hadn't made it to freaking college. If you read a lot [and if your plan is to become a writer you *should* be reading tons - and not just "classics"], you'd have to have noticed that stinkers become popular fairly regularly - and even books that are decent that become super popular generally aren't really the best books written in their time out there.

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, most of the classics were hugely popular in their day, so anyone who thinks that popular writing is always shit, and that Great Writers are always without recognition in their own time, is an idiot and probably a shitty writer.

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
...And? I never said that they didn't, simply that shitty works have a habit of becoming popular, even if there were classics from that time that also became popular.

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Well, actually, you said that books that are popular in their own time aren't the best books of their time. Which does sort of suggest that books that we consider to be classics now, that were popular in their day, don't really deserve their status as classics.
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Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-10-04 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
How the heck do you define "hugely popular?"

How do you define "the classics?"

Re: I have no opinion on this writer, BUT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-04 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
This. There is writing for a professor and then there is writing for the real world.