[ SECRET POST #2470 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2470 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Homestuck, Teen Wolf, Supernatural and Sherlock]


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03.
[Supernatural]


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04.
[Watashi ga motenai no wa dou kangaetemo omaera ga warui]


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05.
[Agents of SHIELD]


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06.
[Sleepy Hollow]


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07.
[Fullmetal Alchemist]


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08.
[World of Warcraft]


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09.
[Pacific Rim]


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10.
[Richard III in "The White Queen"]


















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 044 secrets from Secret Submission Post #353.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dragonimp]

They could have gone with the angle that Ed and Winry were two kids who rushed into this thing and weren't ready and later discovered that they wanted different things out of life, and that would have been fine, if not even made for a stronger story.

But that's exactly where the fic does go.

She specifically wanted to deal with the abusive (and how both sides were contributing to the poor relationship dynamic) because the portrayal in the manga of Winry repeatedly hitting Ed (and Al, and others for that matter) bothered her. Your point about it not being a new development is valid, but the fic doesn't really treat is as a new development - it treats it as something that escalated out of control. Meaning, he was used to her hitting him, but this time she hit him hard enough to do damage - in fact, the reason it blindsided him was because he was used to her hitting him. It's hardly the only way to interpret Ed and Winry's relationship, but it is valid - she didn't invent any of the violence.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess if you are already convinced that Winry's canon behavior is consistent with abuse then you'd be able to accept such a development as feasible. To me, it's balls-out OOC-ness that leaves a bad taste from the get-go, and I really couldn't care what happened to the characters after that because these weren't the characters I knew and loved anymore. Sorry, I don't really care for holding Winry alone to a standard that no other character is submitted to just to dump on her character. You've mentioned you're sick of this story and author being raked through the coals, but frankly this kind of writing and character treatment need no defense. It's super common.

[dragonimp]

My point still stands: she didn't invent any of it. I also don't see how it's a case of singling Winry out, since the story pretty much treats it all seriously.

[likeadeuce]

So, question, does the story acknowledge any of the way's Ed and ROY'S relationship is problematic? I don't even mean the age difference, I mean "Roy is a war criminal who enables Ed to participate in a morally dubious organization"? Or is slapstick wrench throwing the only negative dynamic that needs to be dealt with?

I mean, I don't know what canon we're going with but in first anime ROY MURDERED WINRY'S PARENTS. So focusing on Winry's negatives in order to set Roy up as an alternative seems odd to me. (I'm not particularly just talking about this story but that it seems to be a long-standing fandom trope, from what I can tell.)

[dragonimp]

It's Mangahood based. I don't remember if it specifically deals with Roy pulling Ed into the military, but it does go into Roy's past and Ishval and some moral issues around that. It also brings up Ed's temper and his tendency to run from problems (such as burning their house down) and the strain that that puts on his relationships. I'm not going to pretend there isn't a Roy/Ed bias to the fic; but it's not as one-sided as some are trying to portray it.

[likeadeuce]

Heh, I went and looked at the fic summaries and realized I had avoided the story because it's labeled 'one-sided Riza/Roy' and I can't even comprehend what that's supposed to mean.

[dragonimp]

Meaning Riza has feelings for Roy which Roy doesn't return. It wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. It's fair reason to avoid it.

[likeadeuce]

I just think it's hilarious to announce what you DON'T ship in the header.

[dragonimp]

I don't think it's an anti-ship tag so much as warning people that it deals with a one-sided version of a popular 'ship. A reader who, say, likes Roy/Ed and also likes Royai might not want unrequited Royai in their Roy/Ed fic, so she's trying to give them a heads-up. Because of the amount of hate she's gotten she kinda over-warns.

[likeadeuce]

Where are you seeing all this hate?

ETA: Personally, I think 'one-sided' sounds much more insulting toward Riza than 'unrequited' does. I've seen the latter used to tag before, not the former.

[dragonimp]

She posts on several different coms as well as ff.net and AO3, and I can't keep track of it all. I know some of the negative reactions have come from the fm_alchemist com. I don't mean to sound like it's something that happens every day, it's more that it's been high in comparison to her other fics.

[likeadeuce]

Huh, I've never really seen any negativity on that comm (as opposed to on tumblr), which is why I was curious. Not doubting you, just wondering where this had been discussed before.