[ SECRET POST #2476 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2476 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Statistial Application lesson ahoy

[nyxelestia]

I can understand where you're coming from (I'm bi, so I can see why it would matter). But if we're talking about guessing sexualities anyway, then yeah, the numbers would matter. I don't think anyone is actually suggesting we go around guessing random strangers' sexualities, we're just laying out the numbers for if we were.

As for fictional characters...I enjoy slash, I love it, but I really hate the attitude of "just because we've only seen them in straight relationships doesn't mean they are straight" attitude because it starts to feel like a cop-out - writers don't have any obligation to try and include actual queer characters, because if fans are just going to claim that straight characters are secretly or subtly queer anyway, why bother? I would rather get a few actually (and more importantly, visibly) queer characters rather than a lot of could-be-queer-but-in-practice-are-straight characters.

Re: Statistial Application lesson ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

This, oh so much. You put much better than I could have.

Re: Statistial Application lesson ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - I would rather get a few actually (and more importantly, visibly) queer characters rather than a lot of could-be-queer-but-in-practice-are-straight characters

Oh, don't get me wrong, I would too. In fact the media I tend to go after these days is usually queer-inclusive because I got sick of mainstream TV's bullshit. So the attitude I usually run into is more along the lines of "Clearly they mean love in a platonic sense, I flirt with my female friends all the time and I'm totally straight."

Re: Statistial Application lesson ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends. If a queer person wanted to interpret a character who's canonically only been in a straight relationship to be bi, pan, biromantic, etc. that doesn't necessarily mean that they're giving the writers a freepass on queer erasure. Many slash fans like yourself aren't straight, and they might want a form of inclusion or representation when mainstream is vastly heteronormative and generally homophobic and transphobic. It's unlikely that the fact that most writers exclude lgtbq+ representation correlates to slash.

Though I understand your frustration with underrepresenting non-straight characters and having to rely on subtext when it's just text for straight characters.

Re: Statistial Application lesson ahoy

[nyxelestia]

I guess I'm the kind of person who tends to think there is a line between, say, interpreting Sherlock and John's epic bromance as romance for the purposes of slash and fandom, and genuinely interpreting them as romantic in a way we just haven't seen it on-screen.

I don't think anyone is giving writers a free pass for queer erasure, far from it. I just feel like the writers end up taking that free pass anyway when fans try to insinuate that characters must actually be gay beyond fanfic/fandom and in canon.

Lose-lose situation, me thinks. :|