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⌈ Secret Post #2476 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Obamacare

[kelincihutan]

Okay, I see where you're coming from now. I think that, in the judgement of at least some of the Republicans, Obamacare really is going to be that bad for the country. So, yes, this strategy is pretty crazy, but they genuinely believe that the risk merits heroic measures. I don't give all of them that much credit, I'm perfectly happy to say. John McCain, for example, has all the genuine conviction of a used car salesman and none of the charm. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is taking a bath in PR, but is sticking to his guns. That takes conviction and inclines me to think he really is convinced Obamacare is that bad.

But I don't think that the US will default on anything. Like I said, I think they almost had a debt deal yesterday. I strongly doubt the shutdown/debt ceiling debate will survive this next week. A large part of the Republican strategy was to get Democrats on record as voting for such-and-such or against so-and-so going into the 2014 elections. Having gotten those votes on the record, and having made a pretty strong effort to get at least some concessions on Obamacare (they may actually get the medical device tax removed, but that's still in the works), I think they can walk away pretty happy for the time being. It's part of Obama/Reid's strategy, too. If the Democrats wait out the shutdown until the very last minute before a potential default, they can demand the GOP give up virtually anything with the threat that Republicans will get blamed for a default so they'd better give over. In both cases, both groups have strong motivation not to default outside of the whole it-would-be-bad-for-everyone's-economy thing. So, for all the rhetoric flying around about it, I would be flabbergasted if it actually happened.

As to the long comments, it's fine. You seem like a very thoughtful person, and we're actually talking about politics on the internet and not having a fight, so I totally appreciate the conversation.

NAYRT

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Just wanted to butt in long enough to note that, while I disagree with McCain on a number of important points and I'm glad he wasn't elected President, lately he seems to be the only Republican (at least among the outspoken leaders in the party) with any integrity at all and the only one I can somewhat respect. He's been denouncing the House Republicans' strategy and acknowledging Obamacare as the democratically-enacted law of the land, calling for the House to accept it and move on, despite the fact that he himself strenuously opposed it. Granted, this may say less about McCain himself than the sorry state of his party in general.

(Unrelated to the current topic, I also recall that during his Presidential campaign, he rebuked his own supporters in the audience at one of the debates for shouting inflammatory things about Obama, saying that he was a good man and they had nothing to fear if he was elected President. Policy aside, I wish more of his colleagues would show a little more of that kind of class.)