[ SECRET POST #2481 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2481 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[game of thrones]


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[Star Trek, Sleepy Hollow, Elementary]


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[Junjou Romantica]


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06. [SPOILERS for Percy Jackson]



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07. [WARNING for suicide/self-harm]

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

>Geniunely curious.

When people say this they're never genuinely curious.
Junjou isn't even about romanticizing rape and all that bullshit people come up with. The actual relationship between Misaki and Usami didn't start there, but at the end of volume 1 when Usami opened up for the first time. It grew from there, and it's a very beautiful relationship. I think what happened at the beginning of the volume was simply already forgiven by Misaki by the time Usagi apologized, and I respect Misaki's decision.

As for actual romanticizing rape and sexual assualt? I can name only very few series that do that, like Okane ga nai, and while I really don't like that series I'm not so dumb not to understand that it's just a piece of japanese fiction. You may have noticed that for all the demonizing yaoi gets, western authors have kept their own tropes, and tsundere in the bed either don't appear or are very different from their japanese counterparts. Maybe because most people have common sense and realized they were reading a piece of japanese fiction too. That's why I always roll my eyes when people say "problematic" like they're soccer moms trying to ban videogames.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you certainly disagree with most of the people in this thread about what Junjou does or does not do. I, on the other hand, find the depiction of forgiveness in itself quite offensive, as if the offender "opening up" and turning out to be a pure, beautiful soul suddenly makes the ugliness of past action go away. The character isn't a real person, his "decision" is just a reflection of the author's belief.

So because western media also has problems, we should let yaoi off the hook? Why not criticize both, if there are flaws all around? Why this insistence on Japanese fiction being just fiction, as if it's special somehow? Fiction is fiction; if it has issues, people will point it out. If you don't think romanticizing sexual assault and excusing it is problematic, that's your call, but I will never be on the same page.

[(Anonymous)]

>I, on the other hand, find the depiction of forgiveness in itself quite offensive, as if the offender "opening up" and turning out to be a pure, beautiful soul suddenly makes the ugliness of past action go away.

In-series, that's not for you to decide. You're projecting your own beliefs on him now, also I completely disagree with you.

>The character isn't a real person, his "decision" is just a reflection of the author's belief.

Then why does everyone treat him as if he were a real person?

>So because western media also has problems, we should let yaoi off the hook? Why not criticize both, if there are flaws all around?

Dude. When I have said anything about problems? If anything I've pointed out how all your "problematic" stuff turned out to be much less "problematic" than you make it out to be.

>but I will never be on the same page

Don't worry, I'm not going to lose sleep over that.

[(Anonymous)]

The argument is that depiction of the character's action is problematic. When people say, "I think this was rape," they don't mean, "I treat this character like a real person commits sexual assault." They're saying, "This author wrote a story that depicts an incident I believe to be sexual assault."

Well, then we know how it stands. I think the tendency to excuse sexual assault as the character being tsundere is offensive, and very common in yaoi. Just as common as starting out a relationship with rape then developing it romantically. I think you're blindsided by the romance, which may actually be well-written. It is never necessary to include rape, it does nothing to improve on the relationship but actively makes the character repulsive to the readers. You can portray a dark, flawed character who has issues with relationships, without having him rape someone, especially if your goal is to write a romantic story.

[(Anonymous)]

>They're saying, "This author wrote a story that depicts an incident I believe to be sexual assault."

That's an opinion, okay.

>I think the tendency to excuse sexual assault as the character being tsundere is offensive

I disagree, because I see the two as two very distinct things.

>I think you're blindsided by the romance, which may actually be well-written.

I find it very well-written. I also think you're blindsided by your being offended at stuff, but whatever.

>It is never necessary to include rape,

Whoa now, when did I say that? I even pointed out western BL doesn't tend to have that at all, and I enjoy western works too.

[(Anonymous)]

So 4chan it hurts

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Not really? It looks like greentext, but they're really only using it as quotation marks.